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Someone did a detailed comparison between the $19 Apple 500mW cube charger vs a no-name $4 lookalike. Short version: the former is an engineering marvel of efficiency, compactness, and safety ... while the latter is likely to kill someone. You may not appreciate the "diminishing returns" of increased quality for increased price, but Apple's bottom line shows a great many do.
Oh come on, that's such a sweeping generalization. Just because someone compared Apple's cube charger with one of thousands of knockoffs and found that the Apple charger actually adhered with the safety regulations does not mean that Apple's accessories are appropriately priced due to their quality. It doesn't even mean the charger deserves the $19 price tag. How about the iPhone 6 docks, are they also a marvel of en…
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#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
yes, but that could be spoofed, theoretically. That's why I added the link to archive.org ;)
https://web.archive.org/web/20120623030508/http://hijinksens... ? better?
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The starbucks full of students typing out reports on iPads with bluetooth keyboards begs to differ. I mean, obviousy, you can't do all work on an iPad, but for a certain class of "work" it works fine.
Of course. And don't get me wrong, the iPad is far from worthless and Apple is far from Trivial in the space. The point is that Apple is no longer the leader/innovator in the space. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think that a lot of iOS devices get sold on intangibles rather than concrete benefits or capabilities. Apple has created tremendous value in these intangibles by being so awesome/innovative/ahead for the last 8 y…
> iPad is far from worthless and Apple is far from
> Trivial in the space
Far from trivial doesn't really capture a device that combines being the most expensive with a 75% market share in the US[0] and where US tablet ownership among internet users is 54%[1]. > The point is that Apple is no longer the leader/innovator in
> the space
Oooh, is there (yet another) new iPhone killer out again this month? > People who depend on tech to make their living (often) require
> more than intangible benefits, and the competition has now
> caught/surpassed them as far as tech goes
Those silver rectanges with the pretty apple logo on them have absolutely dominated every single developer event I've been at in recent memory.[0] https://chitika.com/insights/2014/q4-tablet-update [1] https://www.globalwebindex.net/blog/tablet-ownership-highest...
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None of that was true in 2012 when Apple released Passbook. [1] The only reason Apple has support for those now in 2015 is because merchants weren't falling for the walled-garden ploy. Apple has finally caught up with other forms of payment, which is why Apple was a major staller for NFC technology adoption. [1] http://gizmodo.com/5944863/apple-reveals-full-line-up-of-pas...
Um... your link doesn't refute parent. Passbook in 2012 was just an endpoint for things like boarding passes, tickets, and gift cards you bought elsewhere. From related link [1]: > There's no NFC in the new iPhone, but you'll be able to use your screen as a scannable gift card/plane ticket/voucher/etc. with Passbook, which creates a virtual bundle of all those annoying cards you cram into your wallet. Here's an ideal…
The entire context of this discussion was how Apple killed NFC adoption in 2012 by not supporting NFC and splitting the market with their own walled-garden solution. Even your quote shows the surprise on Gizmodo's part that they released some gift card substitute...
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The most annoying bit related to getting real work done on iOS is how long it takes to switch apps. Switching from one app to the other should be 1 click if you want to get serious work done. This is how windows and the surface work. 1 click. A taskbar at the bottom. It works. The current iOS takes 2 clicks, a swipe, and a tap. Unacceptable for multiasking. Now that iIOS has multitasking it changes in an important wa…
It's a bit of a hidden feature, but for 4 years, iOS has had multitasking gestures. http://www.macworld.com/article/1163019/ios_5_new_gestures.h... If you swipe with four fingers to the left or right, you can move between your two most recent apps. Hopefully iOS9 will make "multi-tasking" even easier.
I think I heard at WWDC that iOS 9 adds support for command-tab, which goes great with a hardware keyboard.
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#706Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course. And don't get me wrong, the iPad is far from worthless and Apple is far from Trivial in the space. The point is that Apple is no longer the leader/innovator in the space. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think that a lot of iOS devices get sold on intangibles rather than concrete benefits or capabilities. Apple has created tremendous value in these intangibles by being so awesome/innovative/ahead for the last 8 y…
I don't see where the competition is coming from. Samsung? Google? Xiaomi? Outside of Microsoft (disclosure: MS employee), I don't see much competition for Apple in the innovative premium tablet space. They still execute well in the phone space, watch seems to be shaping up fine, they are still the only PC maker that is known for producing PCs that can last. The costs don't seem too off from the competition, unless w…
This may perhaps reflect the different professional subcultures we're around, but IME "people who depend on tech" are _less_ prone to this (not necessarily the rabid fanboying but the equivalent effect). I think you're underestimating the effect that an unwillingness to do (relatively) in-depth research has on the purchasing decisions of "normal consumers". I.e., "wanting what they need to get done" is a wonderful wish, but it's somewhat meaningless when decoupled from knowing the differences/capabilities of each device. I don't think it's controversial to say that normal consumers put much much more faith in the wisdom of the crowds, and (if they can afford it), Apple products are the beginning and end of their search. The fact that "Android" or even "high-end Android" isn't a cohesive brand to the casual observer means that iPhones seem like a plurality of their cursory data set, even when it's not the majority (which, at least in the US, is pretty often).
Even in 2015, I have people asking me in slightly shocked tones why I don't use an iPhone, and their certainty is always based entirely on social proof (they generally have no knowledge about whatever is I happen to be using).
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#707Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course. And don't get me wrong, the iPad is far from worthless and Apple is far from Trivial in the space. The point is that Apple is no longer the leader/innovator in the space. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think that a lot of iOS devices get sold on intangibles rather than concrete benefits or capabilities. Apple has created tremendous value in these intangibles by being so awesome/innovative/ahead for the last 8 y…
From the top... > iPad is far from worthless and Apple is far from > Trivial in the space Far from trivial doesn't really capture a device that combines being the most expensive with a 75% market share in the US[0] and where US tablet ownership among internet users is 54%[1]. > The point is that Apple is no longer the leader/innovator in > the space Oooh, is there (yet another) new iPhone killer out again this month?…
I'm not the parent commenter, but from the top...
> Far from trivial doesn't really capture a device that combines being the most expensive with a 75% market share in the US[0] and where US tablet ownership among internet users is 54%[1].
As hinted at by the first part of the sentence you're responding to, this thread is talking about the quality of iOS devices for professional work, not their popularity.
> Oooh, is there (yet another) new iPhone killer out again this month?
The snark here handily hides the lack of substance: once again, the reason there's no iPhone-killer (and I don't anticipate there being one for some time) is a different question from whether there's an alternative better-suited to professional work.
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#708The stylus is not just some accessory. Real stylus support is a fundamental advance that revolutionizes the device. This is every bit as significant (for the iPad) as a keyboard-only computer finally supporting mouse input.
(To stretch that analogy a bit, the stylus products available for the iPad so far would be like wiring an Atari 2600 controller to the PC and being able to do rudimentary cursor movements with it.)
The stylus was a fundamental advance for humankind, too. The first stylus was invented about 30 seconds after the first caveperson discovered that flat surfaces are good for drawing on with your fingers. And humans have used them ever since.
Steve Jobs was right that "If you see a stylus [as a requirement for basic input and manipulation of the device], they blew it [if they meant their device to be a mainstream consumer product]."
There's a corollary, though: If a tablet meant to be directly manipulated doesn't support a stylus, it is going to be worse than a simple piece of paper and a pen for a wide variety of everyday tasks. (Meeting notes, class notes, sketches, etc.)
The iPad has sucked at all of those things, forever. (Despite the amazing (truly!) software enhancements that have made fingerpainting pretty expressive.)
I cannot think of a more fundamental advance Apple could have bestowed upon the iPad.
They are indeed playing catchup -- I have all the iPad generations at work and have never used them for much. I do use the Microsoft Surface Pro 3; it has a lot of shortcomings but is hugely, objectively superior to any iPad for taking notes (in just about any setting one would take free-form notes in). But it's heavy, fans, Windows, etc.
I am a refugee from the end of the Newton days. In college, I took all my notes on an MP2000 and it was amazing. It totally worked, for text and diagrams, on balance better than paper. And nothing since then has been both highly portable and as good at note taking. The iPad is better than the Newton at lots of things -- movies and media consumption come to mind () -- but even almost two decades later, no iPad has never been even close to as good as the MP2100 is at taking notes.
So, $1050 for the new iPad Pro plus the stylus? Funny coincidence, that's exactly what I paid for my last Newton. Sign me the fuck up; I'll take a couple.
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I think the one important thing that Microsoft's approach has over Apple's is file management. File management is horrible on iOS.
File Systems is also a complexity that confuses a lot of non-technical people, which is why Apple tries to hide that one even exists on iOS - Where can I find the latest document I was working on? Just open the app you created it with, as a bonus you'll get transparent syncing across all your devices. Syncing and Backup are tedial tasks most people wouldn't do if they needed to do it manually or configure an external…
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It's like the $80 magsafe charger. Thing probably costs $3 to manufacture and distribute, but good luck using your macbook without one. Simple price gouging, but most customers are happy to pay.
Someone did a detailed comparison between the $19 Apple 500mW cube charger vs a no-name $4 lookalike. Short version: the former is an engineering marvel of efficiency, compactness, and safety ... while the latter is likely to kill someone. You may not appreciate the "diminishing returns" of increased quality for increased price, but Apple's bottom line shows a great many do.
Mourner: "I'm sorry for your loss. He seemed so healthy, with such a bright future ahead of him. How could this have happened?"
Grieving Mother: "It was that damned... third-party stylus! sob I knew I should have bought the Apple one!"