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Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by geff82 »

bsaul wrote: post #64
skylan_q wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran is a country much more aligned with the US in many more ways than Saudi Arabia is. It's really a "natural ally" for the US in the middle east.

Out or curiosity, why does the (religious) iranian regime keeps calling USA "the great devil" then ? Ps :reading some answers, i know about the history of conflicts between usa and iran. I was just pointing the fact that calling Iran a "natural ally" is a bit of a stretch.

Because they are used to do so and because they are completely detached from the reality of their people. For the average Iranian, USA is the land to go. And you can't image how similar things look! Highways, signs, style of buildings all look like a slightly cheaper copy of the USA. Except for the roads, which are worse in the USA.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by coldpie »

seivan wrote: post #46

My God, why didn't Roosevelt and Churchill think of giving billions in relief to the Third Reich. That would have solved everything. Chamberlain was a forgotten hero! Giving Mullahs access to create nuclear weapons. Taking their word for it that they won't. Yeah, this will end well. Just yesterday their Iranian proxies in Baghdad were burning American and Israeli flags. Vowing to destroy The Great Satan(s), why do we…

> I simply just loooooove how (western) leftists are so accepting of this. You shit yourself when Christians don't want to bake cakes. But killing apostates, hanging "sodomites", that's all good.

Woo, burn that strawman.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by throwaway556588 »

bsaul wrote: post #64
skylan_q wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran is a country much more aligned with the US in many more ways than Saudi Arabia is. It's really a "natural ally" for the US in the middle east.

Out or curiosity, why does the (religious) iranian regime keeps calling USA "the great devil" then ? Ps :reading some answers, i know about the history of conflicts between usa and iran. I was just pointing the fact that calling Iran a "natural ally" is a bit of a stretch.

I meet with a lot of people from that region. From my personal experience almost every Iranian in the US is very Westernized including women who dresses like any other American. But most other Arabs including Saudis I know are still very traditional. Most of Arab women in the US still wear scarves or even burkas. This is just what I have observed, I have no idea how they really think. Not sure if this translates to larger population or not though.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by jajool »

bsaul wrote: post #64
skylan_q wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran is a country much more aligned with the US in many more ways than Saudi Arabia is. It's really a "natural ally" for the US in the middle east.

Out or curiosity, why does the (religious) iranian regime keeps calling USA "the great devil" then ? Ps :reading some answers, i know about the history of conflicts between usa and iran. I was just pointing the fact that calling Iran a "natural ally" is a bit of a stretch.

because of decades of conflicts between countries as president Obama stated. this vision cannot change over night.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by lmm »

bsaul wrote: post #54
skylan_q wrote: post #41

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You have to realize that Iran is threatened by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia. I won't be surprised when they break this deal and have their own nuclear weapons.

? Are you being sarcastic ? Since when did the US or Israel threatened Iran of anything ? It seems to me you're inversing causes and consequences. Hopefully looking at events chronologically will help you get things back in order.

Israel (whose own illicit nuclear program is far more advanced than Iran's, let's not forget) is widely acknowledged to have assassinated Iranian scientists, no? That goes beyond threats.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by hni »

bsaul wrote: post #51
lentil_soup wrote: post #27

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So you punish an entire group of people by weakening their economy until their government does what an external entity wants them to do?. Seems quite a violent approach.

That's only justified because trying to get a nuclear weapon has an impact on everyone's peace. Especially for a country that's been at war with its neighbours for the last 50 years at least, in a chaotic region filled with international terrorists groups and active war zones right at the moment.

Please list all wars initiated by Iran during the last 50 years. As that will probably not take too long, maybe you can also tell us with which neighbours Iran has been at war during the last 50 years.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by m_fayer »

seivan wrote: post #46

My God, why didn't Roosevelt and Churchill think of giving billions in relief to the Third Reich. That would have solved everything. Chamberlain was a forgotten hero! Giving Mullahs access to create nuclear weapons. Taking their word for it that they won't. Yeah, this will end well. Just yesterday their Iranian proxies in Baghdad were burning American and Israeli flags. Vowing to destroy The Great Satan(s), why do we…

>Giving Mullahs access to create nuclear weapons. Taking their word for it that they won't.

The whole point of the deal is to NOT LET THEM create nuclear weapons. No one is taking anyone's word, there is a verification regime that will be imposed and executed by the IAEA, which is as good as any entity that exists today at detecting illicit nuclear activity.

>Just yesterday their Iranian proxies in Baghdad were burning American and Israeli flags. Vowing to destroy The Great Satan(s), why do we downplay that?

No one is downplaying that. Iran is an adversary of the US and adversaries do nasty things to each other. Diplomacy is how you get your adversaries to be a little less adversarial, and stop doing those nasty things.

>I simply just loooooove how (western) leftists are so accepting of this.

Why do you assume it's only "leftists" that are in favor?

>But killing apostates, hanging "sodomites", that's all good.

Kissinger, hardly a leftist, said "America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests." Yeah some elements of Iran are nasty but we don't have to be besties. We want things from them, they want things from us, neither can wish the other into non-existence, so we hold or nose and act like grownups.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by jajool »

roymurdock wrote: post #69
mavdi wrote: post #33

Sceptical Iranian here. There are groups that profit from an ongoing tension and conflict on both sides. This time around it seems they have lost the hand, but we would be a fool to think that this agreement settles things for good. This has always been and will always be a fluid situation. I think the work has just begun now, let's hope the sane people inc charge on both sides will keep things positive. Otherwise it…

I'm interested to hear what the general young Iranian sentiment is towards the Iranian government, the US government, and the agreement. I worked in Afghanistan at a telecom provider last summer. A lot of my coworkers were young 20-somethings whose parents had fled Afghanistan when the Taliban came to power from 1996-2001. The majority of them had been raised in Iran; the minority, in Pakistan. The ones who had been…

majority of young people are happy! to tell you the troth sanctions were a real pain for us, imagine every time i use internet and i forget to connect VPN i get the "Unavailable in your country message" while visiting Unity or Google Code websites. but on the other hand there are some who are not that happy they think with this agreement we have lost decades of effort toward peacefull nuclear energy.

there is one thing for sure nobody in iran wants a nuclear weapon.

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Post by willismichael »

Tomte wrote: post #13
thescrewdriver wrote: post #6

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Out of curiosity, what else would be on that list?

Nationwide Universal Healthcare.

Anecdote here - I know people who used to be able to afford to go to the doctor, but now they are paying so much in premiums that they can't afford to pay the deductible (also significantly increased), so they don't go to the doctor anymore.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by meragrin »

vasilipupkin wrote: post #58
adventured wrote: post #34

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It was his pen, that was his biggest contribution to it. His involvement in crafting the legislation, and getting the necessary votes, was almost non-existent. It was the super majority Democratic Congress that was responsible for making the ACA happen. Both in terms of wrangling the votes together, and reaching the countless compromises necessary to get it through by the slim margin it ultimately passed by.

You are focused on the mechanics of how it got passed. But it was clearly his major priority and wouldn't have happened without him being in office. So, I apologize, but your statement seems at best completely inaccurate to me

So Hillary couldn't or wouldn't have done the same thing? Personally, I think it would have sailed through much more easily had she been in office.
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