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Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by skylan_q »

bsaul wrote: post #5

Am i the only one amazed at the fact that we actually had to wait for iranians to accept to stop going toward nuclear weapons ? I mean, why did EU and US insist so much on wanting a deal ? It seemed to be that one side has all the leverage in the negociation and the other has none. We could have simply waited for the iranian regime to get so weakened that they'd simply surrender and accept every measure. So I don't u…

You have to realize that Iran is threatened by the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia. I won't be surprised when they break this deal and have their own nuclear weapons.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by toyg »

mavdi wrote: post #33

Sceptical Iranian here. There are groups that profit from an ongoing tension and conflict on both sides. This time around it seems they have lost the hand, but we would be a fool to think that this agreement settles things for good. This has always been and will always be a fluid situation. I think the work has just begun now, let's hope the sane people inc charge on both sides will keep things positive. Otherwise it…

Of course, life is hard and all that. Still, whenever two old foes sit down and agree on how to move forward, it's a good day for the world. Please keep supporting the "sane" elements.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by dbcooper »

dbcooper wrote: post #25

Some possible reasons to be sceptical: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/opinion/the-iran-deals-...

There's a back-and-forth on that opinion piece, here [1] and here [2].

[1] http://iranmatters.belfercenter.org/blog/iran-op-eds-fatal-f...

[2] http://iranmatters.belfercenter.org/blog/misleading-spin-cen...

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by Retric »

briandear wrote: post #23
Tomte wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nationwide Universal Healthcare.

There is no universal healthcare in the U.S. There's a tax penalty if you don't buy insurance. There are subsidies for buying insurance, but no fundamental change unless higher premiums and higher taxes are considered fundamental change.

Pre existing conditions are no longer a thing with Heath insurance, that's minimal universal healthcare.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by seivan »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #38

I think the future of the Middle East is a tense balance between Saudi and Iranian poles, with both countries being normalized in the international community. The USA can't bring either country to heel, but it can hopefully prevent the stalemate from being nuclear along Sunni-Shia lines. But what's also changed is that the US needs a normalized partner in Iran to fully isolate ISIS, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and other fa…

There are other people there that can deal with radical Sunni muslims (ISIS). You don't want (Shia) Iran to deal with them.

Look at their recent militia activities, check what happens to Sunni civilians in Iraq. I guess we're not mentioning Yemen.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by seivan »

My God, why didn't Roosevelt and Churchill think of giving billions in relief to the Third Reich. That would have solved everything. Chamberlain was a forgotten hero!

Giving Mullahs access to create nuclear weapons. Taking their word for it that they won't. Yeah, this will end well. Just yesterday their Iranian proxies in Baghdad were burning American and Israeli flags. Vowing to destroy The Great Satan(s), why do we downplay that?

I simply just loooooove how (western) leftists are so accepting of this. You shit yourself when Christians don't want to bake cakes. But killing apostates, hanging "sodomites", that's all good.

Yeah, this will make everything better and not worse at all.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by skylan_q »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #38

I think the future of the Middle East is a tense balance between Saudi and Iranian poles, with both countries being normalized in the international community. The USA can't bring either country to heel, but it can hopefully prevent the stalemate from being nuclear along Sunni-Shia lines. But what's also changed is that the US needs a normalized partner in Iran to fully isolate ISIS, the Taliban, Al Qaeda and other fa…

Iran is a country much more aligned with the US in many more ways than Saudi Arabia is. It's really a "natural ally" for the US in the middle east.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by seivan »

toyg wrote: post #36
briandear wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read the Iran deal? The Iranians were happy about it, this it likely wasn't a good deal for the rest of us. The Iranians can't be trusted. If Obama cares about Iran, he would have supported their Green Revolution; instead those protestors were executed, tortured or imprisioned. Yet, strangely, Obama supported the Egyptian coup. Honestly, Obama doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to foreign policy. He…

> The Iranians can't be trusted. National stereotypes, pillars of pragmatic diplomacy ever since 2000 BC and the clear mark of logical thinkers the world over. > If Obama cares about Iran, he would have supported their Green Revolution How do you know he didn't? Because he didn't send in bombers to "support demonstrations"? > Yet, strangely, Obama supported the Egyptian coup ... when the alternative would have been m…

US reliance on Turkey is just a strategic position against Russia.

You're a fool for thinking any deal with Iran will bring something like that to the Table.

Your blind faith is incredibly disturbing.

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by adventured »

Retric wrote: post #44
briandear wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no universal healthcare in the U.S. There's a tax penalty if you don't buy insurance. There are subsidies for buying insurance, but no fundamental change unless higher premiums and higher taxes are considered fundamental change.

Pre existing conditions are no longer a thing with Heath insurance, that's minimal universal healthcare.

How can you claim universal healthcare, with 12% [1] of the population not covered by any form of health insurance?

The US system has very little in common with European style universal healthcare. To say nothing of the extreme cost most Americans still pay for their health insurance, or the bankruptcies that are still overwhelming in the system.

Universal healthcare that bankrupts millions of people? That's an inherently ridiculous premise.

[1] http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/13/news/economy/obamacare-unins...

Re: Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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Post by skylan_q »

seivan wrote: post #46

My God, why didn't Roosevelt and Churchill think of giving billions in relief to the Third Reich. That would have solved everything. Chamberlain was a forgotten hero! Giving Mullahs access to create nuclear weapons. Taking their word for it that they won't. Yeah, this will end well. Just yesterday their Iranian proxies in Baghdad were burning American and Israeli flags. Vowing to destroy The Great Satan(s), why do we…

My God, why didn't Roosevelt and Churchill think of giving billions in relief to the Third Reich. That would have solved everything. Chamberlain was a forgotten hero!

They would have, but they gave it to the Soviets instead.

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