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“A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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topynate wrote: post #47
ncallaway wrote: post #27

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> it hands veto power to whoever determines what racism is and when something is 'too racist' This sounds like the function of the free marketplace of ideas. One is allowed to espouse any ideology that you wish. However, other people are allowed to respond with their own speech. They can call the idea racist if they want. They can take away speaking platforms if they want. Whether a statement is "racist" is a determi…

I am not suggesting that racists (however defined) be invited to advocate racism to people who find that repugnant. I'm suggesting that that racism not disqualify them in other matters. You are quite correct that people can boycott or pressure for no-platform if they want to. Who on earth would benefit from forced contact? What I'm suggesting is that people decide not to do that . Further, that when that does happen,…

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Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by DanBC »

ncallaway wrote: post #70
topynate wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not suggesting that racists (however defined) be invited to advocate racism to people who find that repugnant. I'm suggesting that that racism not disqualify them in other matters. You are quite correct that people can boycott or pressure for no-platform if they want to. Who on earth would benefit from forced contact? What I'm suggesting is that people decide not to do that . Further, that when that does happen,…

> "What I'm suggesting is that people decide not to [boycott or pressure for no platform]" I don't like how this argument generalizes. For example, I am a strong opponent of the labor situation in Qatar as it relates to the World Cup. I want FIFA to either relocate venues or force Qatar to immediately improve their labor practices. Yet, I have no leverage over FIFA, so instead I decide to boycott FIFA's sponsors (Cok…

Did you tell coke, nike, and adidas that you're boycotting them?

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by jpt4 »

hga wrote: post #69
tomjen3 wrote: post #66

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I know, I was trying to contrast letting him speak on neoreaction with letting him speak on orbit.

Do you think there's now the slightest chance that urbit can win in the technology marketplace, or get any mind share? I suppose others can copy its ideas without attribution, but if involvement in it potentially threatens your career....

Urbit was initally released into the Public Domain, and still retains that spirit even though circumstance compels the project to now bear the MIT License - I suspect non-attributed copying would not be challenged.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by RichardZBrookes »

danso wrote: post #21
whatucantsay1 wrote: post #5

Interesting -- another discussion of this incident was at the top spot of HN some 30 mins ago, and was flagkilled. Is it that we're not interested in discussing it, or only interested in discussing it if certain people / viewpoints are not allowed?

Not that interesting. For people who are curious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9674643 Here's an excerpt from that rambling, incomprehensible post: > But, from our point of view here, all these people believing, like everyone around them, that sovereignty must be concentrated and tightly defined, that nobody should have influence over government who wasn’t officially part of government, and the rest of it wou…

I was attempting to aim my arguments at a wider audience than usual, but I forgot to dumb down the language. Sorry.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by jpt4 »

leereeves wrote: post #14
twoodfin wrote: post #10

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I agree that submission was more than a little out there, but it's strange how little impact this event has had on HN, given the subject matter. Maybe this submission will break through.

The previous submission was #1 on the front page for a few minutes before it was flag killed. It wasn't overtly racist or filled with profanity; perhaps some people just wanted to silence it.

To indulge in a bit of tinfoil-hatting re "some people just wanted to silence it": Tlon, Corp., the Red Hat to Urbit's Fedora, rejected Y-Combinator funding last year.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by shalmanese »

saryant wrote: post #42
leereeves wrote: post #40

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What kind of extremist attacks a child because of their father's political views?

The kind that lives in Benicia, CA. And recruiters wonder why I refuse to consider offers back in California.

What kind of person stereotypes an entire state of 40 million people based on their experiences in one small town?

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by DanBC »

leereeves wrote: post #40
saryant wrote: post #30

This incident reminds me of growing up as the son of an oil company's PR man in the Bay Area. We lived in one of the small towns in the North Bay. My father handled public and government relations for the oil refinery in that small town. A contingent of the opposition was especially vocal in their distaste for the plant. An orthodontist refused to take me on as a patient due to my father's job. Snide remarks from tea…

What kind of extremist attacks a child because of their father's political views?

Shunning "others" is very common behaviour. Shunning the child of "others" is very common.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by wmf »

devalier wrote: post #53
antics wrote: post #43

I recently helped organize a conference. Since it is apparently not obvious to many people, I'd just like to point out that amongst conference organizers, it is an extremely common belief that your primary responsibility is to deliver a good conference experience to your conference-goers. This is not just a belief StrangeLoop holds -- it is a belief that many beloved tech conferences have (e.g., PyCon), and if you th…

It would be fine to ban Curtis if his talk was about his politics. It would be fine to ban him if he did not agree to abide by the code of conduct. The conference obviously does not owe him a platform to discuss his politics. But his talk was about Urbit, not about his politics, and Urbit is a genuinely fascinating piece of technology. Even if the project fails, by studying it, I have learned a lot of ideas that I ha…

BTW, Urbit has neoreactionary politics hard-coded into the network layer. I don't know if that was to be discussed in this particular talk (usually the Nock/Hoon stuff is so weird people never get to the rest), but if Yarvin/Moldbug can't keep political rants out of his documentation then I think it's fair to consider the politics as part of the technology.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by ncallaway »

paxdickinson wrote: post #59
ncallaway wrote: post #52

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The great thing about technology is you can always make your own space. You can have a niche website — or other technological forum — that is a bastion of iconoclastic freethinkers. The problem that you're experiencing is that the mainstream public is now very much using technology. That means the average opinions expressed on the web on the internet have become much more mainstream. Which, pretty much by definition,…

I'm not talking about the mainstream. I'm talking about hiring and funding within our industry. If you haven't noticed a chilling effect over the last few years, maybe you don't have any nonconforming opinions.

I run my own (self-funded) company, so I haven't been subject to hiring or funding in a few years.

I wouldn't be shocked if a future client held our espoused opinions against us. I tend to strongly stand by any opinions that I advocate for publicly, and I'm willing to handle the repercussions from those opinions.

If I felt the repercussions of those opinions were disproportionate I would advocate for those opinions anonymously. The ability to espouse unpopular opinions is the main reason why I strongly advocate for allowing anonymous speech.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Post by corporealist »

Alex Payne founded a socialist blog: https://www.jacobinmag.com/

Why is writing about certain political ideas OK, but writing about certain other political ideas not OK? Why are those certain other political ideas "not OK" enough for someone to be banned from a technology conference?

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