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“A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Interesting -- another discussion of this incident was at the top spot of HN some 30 mins ago, and was flagkilled. Is it that we're not interested in discussing it, or only interested in discussing it if certain people / viewpoints are not allowed?

Not that interesting. For people who are curious:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9674643

Here's an excerpt from that rambling, incomprehensible post:

> But, from our point of view here, all these people believing, like everyone around them, that sovereignty must be concentrated and tightly defined, that nobody should have influence over government who wasn’t officially part of government, and the rest of it would be neoreactionaries. Similarly, today, with the exception of a few points of economics, the ideas that almost everyone in communion with Harvard University believes are communist ideas, and would have been labelled as such even fifty years ago.

OK, not everyone can find the time to read "The Elements of Style" but then this comes up:

> Why was Adria Richards lying? Because that’s her job. As some guy wrote, “It’s a mistake to think these people have opinions. They have careers.” Her career was to go around technology events, and fuck them up in the name of women’s access. Why? Whatever is the point of that? The point of that is to create a line of control from political activists to industry. Because of Adria Richards, and the many like her before and since, everyone in the technology industry knows that they cannot afford to upset far-left activists. They only succeeded in this, though, because people like Alex Miller believed their lies—that these misdemeanours against political correctness, such as making similar jokes to those aired in Superbowl commercials, are responsible for a 5:1 male–female ratio or whatever in technology...

I literally can't make any sense of that, except it involves Adria Richards, and why the fuck is she even relevant to this? I'll admit, that previously submitted (and rightfully flagkilled) post was the first I had read about this Strangeloop thing, by merit of it somehow reaching #1 on HN...and after having read the current OP, I'm much more inclined to give benefit of the doubt to Curtis Yarvin. The previous submission did nothing except make me think that Yarvin was backed by rabid anti-SJWers.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

#22

I wonder - suppose someone Alex Miller agreed with, but who also caused controversy, was met with opposition by folks who disliked her. For example, suppose a bunch of gamergate types were to complain about Brianna Wu giving a purely technical talk about pathfinding and AI. Would all the folks who are so quick to defend Strangeloop also defend it in this case? Somehow I doubt it.

Almost certainly not, but that is the way of people. That's a separate question from whether they are right or wrong though. I distinctly don't like the way things are going and believe me I have no sympathy for the political views of Curtis, but the talk isn't about that. If Brianna Wu could actually deliver a technical talk, I say let her. If he wanted to talk about neoreaction there are other places he can go to.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

#23

Interesting -- another discussion of this incident was at the top spot of HN some 30 mins ago, and was flagkilled. Is it that we're not interested in discussing it, or only interested in discussing it if certain people / viewpoints are not allowed?

Perhaps the standard on HN is that there be a high-quality post and high-quality discussion, and that therefore, it could be that one particular post gets flagkilled, but not another when the community/mods want to discuss an issue but dislike giving eyeballs to a low-quality post.

Or they all get flagkilled regardless of content if the community/mods do not want the issue discussed here, even if a particular post is well-reasoned and well-written.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

#25

Kicking people from your tech conference because they were racist outside of it hands veto power to whoever determines what racism is and when something is 'too racist'. The same goes for the other beyond-the-pale isms like sexism, fascism, etc. I commented on a flagged post on why this is an issue for me personally: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9674958

If I am the CEO of a company, and I listen to people before making my own decision, am I “handing them veto power?” I think this is Alex Miller’s decision.

It'll be his decision next time too. And now that the Red Guards know he'll succumb to even the slightest bit of pressure, there will certainly be a next time.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

#26

I wonder - suppose someone Alex Miller agreed with, but who also caused controversy, was met with opposition by folks who disliked her. For example, suppose a bunch of gamergate types were to complain about Brianna Wu giving a purely technical talk about pathfinding and AI. Would all the folks who are so quick to defend Strangeloop also defend it in this case? Somehow I doubt it.

If the dislikers were his customers -- if SL were a conference about [whatever] but primarily attended by GG sympathizers -- probably yes. (Note -- I'm not talking about A. Miller at all any more, just any conf organizer)

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

#27

Kicking people from your tech conference because they were racist outside of it hands veto power to whoever determines what racism is and when something is 'too racist'. The same goes for the other beyond-the-pale isms like sexism, fascism, etc. I commented on a flagged post on why this is an issue for me personally: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9674958

> it hands veto power to whoever determines what racism is and when something is 'too racist'

This sounds like the function of the free marketplace of ideas. One is allowed to espouse any ideology that you wish. However, other people are allowed to respond with their own speech. They can call the idea racist if they want. They can take away speaking platforms if they want.

Whether a statement is "racist" is a determination made by the current social taboos and mores of a society. I think there are a lot of terrible ideologies out there, and I like that we don't have to give them equal platforms. The free marketplace of ideas means we don't have to "teach the controversy" and give both sides "equal opportunity for debate".

Which is great. There are plenty of people who's methods and ideas I so disagree with that I don't think it's worth my time to listen to them (neo-nazis, members of the Westboro Baptist Church).

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

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Interesting -- another discussion of this incident was at the top spot of HN some 30 mins ago, and was flagkilled. Is it that we're not interested in discussing it, or only interested in discussing it if certain people / viewpoints are not allowed?

Pretty sure that the concensus is that the author of that submission is insane and trying to read his screed as something coming from a mentally healthy person is a waste of time.

The communists locked their dissenters up in psychiatric hospitals. It would be better for us if we didn't simply labeled people for their ideas.

Re: “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”

#30
This incident reminds me of growing up as the son of an oil company's PR man in the Bay Area.

We lived in one of the small towns in the North Bay. My father handled public and government relations for the oil refinery in that small town. A contingent of the opposition was especially vocal in their distaste for the plant.

An orthodontist refused to take me on as a patient due to my father's job. Snide remarks from teachers were normal (but the school district relied on the refinery's charitable contributions—which my father controlled—so they had to play nice). Parents telling their kids they couldn't hang out at our house.

There is a certain type of extremist who is unable to separate public and private lives and believes attacks on both are equally valid in advancing their agendas.

We were glad to leave the state.

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