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Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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dragonwriter wrote: post #70
yest wrote: post #68

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That's a pseudo science invented by food companies to make people eat more processed food and sugar. If you sugar spikes from carbs, insulin stores it into fat.

> That's a pseudo science invented by food companies to make people eat more processed food and sugar. No, that you need a calorie surplus to increase stored energy, whether in the form of fat or otherwise, isn't pseudo-science (the alternative is pseudo-science of the same sort as perpetual motion machines.) And people trying to avoid a calorie surplus are not going to eat more sugar ("processed foods" perhaps -- I…

calories is a pseudo science, you should eat more fat and less carbs

http://www.webmd.com/diet/20120626/all-calories-not-created-...

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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DanBC wrote: post #69
yest wrote: post #65

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OMG, it's NOT about calories, if you eat white sugar it goes straight to fat and if you eat almonds, it is digested gradually. Fat people are addicted to sweets, cookies, rice, bread. They don't eat green veggie with olive oil. Just see WHAT they eat ffs. Just go in the cafe and look in their plates. They ALL eat a ton of noodles, rice (Asia), bread, sweet sauces and sweet "juices" and drinks. Come on, time to wake t…

"It's not about calories, fat people eat a lot of [list of foods high in calories], not [food low in calories]" That's what you just said. You're wrong, btw. Plent. Of morbidly obese and super obese people eat lots of fat.

I observed obese people - they all eat simple carbs. Why? They are addicted to dopamine, they tremble and get depressed if they don't eat sugar and carbs. They overeat, that's the reason they are obese.

For a non-obese person calories also don't matter because if you eat equal amount of calories using sugar, almonds or olive oil, the effect will be completely different

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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yest wrote: post #72
DanBC wrote: post #69

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"It's not about calories, fat people eat a lot of [list of foods high in calories], not [food low in calories]" That's what you just said. You're wrong, btw. Plent. Of morbidly obese and super obese people eat lots of fat.

I observed obese people - they all eat simple carbs. Why? They are addicted to dopamine, they tremble and get depressed if they don't eat sugar and carbs. They overeat, that's the reason they are obese. For a non-obese person calories also don't matter because if you eat equal amount of calories using sugar, almonds or olive oil, the effect will be completely different

> I observed obese people - they all eat simple carbs.

I've observed obese people. And, no, they don't all eat simple carbs.

> Why? They are addicted to dopamine,

You can't be "addicted to dopamine". Dopamine plays a role (or, more accurately, different roles) in various addictions, but isn't the thing to which you are addicted.

> they tremble and get depressed if they don't eat sugar and carbs.

That sounds a lot like hypoglycemia (possibly resulting from chronic hyperinsulinemia), which is a fairly well-established thing, unlike folk-psychology "carbohydrate addiction".

> They overeat, that's the reason they are obese.

This is the one sane thing you say: yes, weight gain results from "overeating", that is, a calorie surplus.

> For a non-obese person calories also don't matter

"also"? As you correctly note previously overeating -- eating an excess of calories -- is where weight gain comes from. That's true whether the person is or is not obese at the time.

Calories absolutely matter. Both for obese people and non-obese people.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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dragonwriter wrote: post #73
yest wrote: post #72

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I observed obese people - they all eat simple carbs. Why? They are addicted to dopamine, they tremble and get depressed if they don't eat sugar and carbs. They overeat, that's the reason they are obese. For a non-obese person calories also don't matter because if you eat equal amount of calories using sugar, almonds or olive oil, the effect will be completely different

> I observed obese people - they all eat simple carbs. I've observed obese people. And, no, they don't all eat simple carbs. > Why? They are addicted to dopamine, You can't be "addicted to dopamine". Dopamine plays a role (or, more accurately, different roles) in various addictions, but isn't the thing to which you are addicted. > they tremble and get depressed if they don't eat sugar and carbs. That sounds a lot lik…

>unlike folk-psychology "carbohydrate addiction".

you should start with basics then. If you think there is no sugar and simple carbs addiction, wow

http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_addiction

>Calories absolutely matter

OKOK I agree that calories make you fat of course, but if you are not addicted to cookies, sugar and other carbs you won't over consume calories. Why would you overeat broccoli with olive oil? So in this case, you can eat oil and lard.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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prostoalex wrote: post #64
yest wrote: post #43

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Satiety is nothing. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods but because the brain produce Dopamine they crave it and can't stop. Fat people = addicted to Dopamine. They will eat cookies, sandwiches and other simple carbs every day and between meals. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2381335/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/processed-carbohydrates-are-addi...

Is the dopamine produced in response to carb consumption or in response to satiety? I'd imagine a steak lover who just finished a porterhouse with bernaise is also high on dopamine.

for some reason with sugar and carbs you hack the brain
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