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Message from Facebook: this could be war

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Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

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Is this "espresso" format the future for the economist? There should be a link to the full article at least, I read this rag purely for the analysis and this format is a bit short on that. here it is in full: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21646802...

The Economiszt wants you to subscribe to ead the the full article, which is here: http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/03/messagi...

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

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post #63

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> What is wrong with jabber group chat? The presumably protocol-level problems are that you can't "upgrade" a two-person conversation to a groupchat, and that a groupchat is an entity in its own right belonging to a particular server, which is something the user really shouldn't have to care about (and also causes reliability issues). And that there's no history. Beyond that the user experience in every client I've u…

My instance of Ejabber will send to all connected clients in the case where the priorities are identical.

Really? Cool. That's explicitly contrary to the XMPP spec (unless it's changed since I last looked), but good on them for doing the pragmatic thing.

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

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Because Jabber is awful but too many people were so enthusiastic about its open-source nature that it blinded them to its faults (specifically poor groupchat and a bunch of bad choices about the behaviour when logging in from multiple clients at the same time). I don't think it's too late. I know the people working on http://matrix.org/ and I trust them to get the technology right. But as we know, popularity depends…

One more thing to dislike about XMPP/Jabber is that it's XML based. Writing products on top of it is unnecessarily verbose and complicated (also due to the bad choices you mentioned). A modern messaging protocol should use JSON.

Or something even simpler, like the line-based structure of IRC and MSNP; but you're right, it doesn't need to be XML to be extensible.

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

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Ugh. At least the world has managed to have "Email" as a standard, a medium, that is not controlled by any huge corporation's grubby claws. Why not with chat? What happened to this? Why is there a war for my data with these big companies, who do NOT have our best interests in mind, and never will? Why can't we have a federated standard for chat, controlled by no one? It seems that we have come close at various times…

And email is under constant attack. Especially corporate/business email, but personal accounts are now targets as well. Basically anyone with a bank/ebay/paypal account is a target if they have an email address. Spam, malware and phishing are huge problems with email. I doubt it will exist forever in its current form. I expect more and more restrictions (on sending and receiving) and more and more walled gardens as c…

That is true. I learn spanish on skype free at http://preply.com/en/spanish-by-skype and I always worry about email hacking. especially my accounts that I use are there.

Re: Message from Facebook: this could be war

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I was going to say that Facebook Messenger does work with XMPP but double checking just now, it seems that was deprecated a year ago and will disappear at the end of next month. Huh. https://developers.facebook.com/docs/chat

it's a real shame - both facebook and google tried to use XMPP but have since removed support.

I think Google still work with XMPP but not 100%.

https://developers.google.com/talk/open_communications

https://xmpp.org/2015/03/no-its-not-the-end-of-xmpp-for-goog...

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