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Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Re: Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Post by Filligree »

mikegreiling wrote: post #10
jb17 wrote: post #4

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I don't think anyone is denying physical differences between people with XX and XY chromosomes. I also think it's common knowledge by now that sex influences the development of diseases (which is what the paper is about). What the debate is usually about is inequalities in social power relations and whether these can be attributed to what you call 'social conditioning' or biology. This paper doesn't contribute anythi…

There's a feminist-led campaign on wikipedia to get tripe like this added to articles on human sexual differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sex_differences_in... "The smaller difference in lower body strength may be due to the fact that during childhood, both males and females frequently exercise their leg muscles during activities like running, walking, and playing. Males, however, are socially pres…

Isn't that actually true?

Speaking as a male who feels no particular need for higher upper body strength, I've certainly felt pressured at times. Somehow my sister never is.

Re: Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Post by powertower »

Fomite wrote: post #66
powertower wrote: post #36

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What are you talking about? By the year 1000 AD the Europeans had already built the most grandiose of structures that rival today’s standards, had the most extensive networks and cities, filled entire libraries with books on all manners of philosophy and science, explored all corners of the world, and so on and on. And it wasn't until about the 1900s (about 1920-1960), when the Western World (that primarily consisted…

I hate to break it to you, but by 1000 the Roman Empire was well and truly gone. As much as I am fond of the medieval period, I wouldn't hold up 1000 as a bright and shining year for "The West". Hell, at that point, even the Eastern Roman Empire was struggling.

The point was they accomplished things that no one else had by that time.

And eventually the doom and gloom that came afterwards was overcome fully with new civilizations, countries, etc... And by the 1800s the Western world and the European countries were so far ahead of anyone else that it's silly to even compare them to the rest of the world at that point in history in regards to reason, law, economy flow, technology, science/math, music, theater, culture, ideas, etc.

By your logic I could point out that China before the mid-point of last century was a 99% peasant-class country full of hardship and misery, and make the argument that you are using - wiping out all their previous culture and accomplishments.

We have to look at this from the totality point-of-view.

Re: Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Post by powertower »

vikiomega9 wrote: post #56
powertower wrote: post #36

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What are you talking about? By the year 1000 AD the Europeans had already built the most grandiose of structures that rival today’s standards, had the most extensive networks and cities, filled entire libraries with books on all manners of philosophy and science, explored all corners of the world, and so on and on. And it wasn't until about the 1900s (about 1920-1960), when the Western World (that primarily consisted…

My understanding was that it was only during the Renaissance period and after that the Europeans had names attached to things. (I'd appreciate Book/source suggestions for my reading?)

Let me ask you a question... What is your definition of a European?

It kind of sounds like you might be using a very geographically restricted classification.

Re: Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Post by scott_karana »

Beliavsky wrote: post #32
mudil wrote: post #25

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These things are completely different. Races are not different species. All people are the same: race does not matter. Sexual roles (the evolution of sexuality) is a completely different game. Ever thought why peacock has a tail but not peahen?

"All people are the same: race does not matter." In the U.S. whites score about one standard deviation above blacks on IQ tests such as WISC and Stanford-Binet, and in adoption studies that try to control for environment, this difference does not go away. Race is more than skin deep.

I've seen studies demonstrating the reverse: controlled for poverty, school, and whether a student has one or two parents, white and black American schoolchildren tested the same. (Standard deviation of 0.06: http://www.nber.org/papers/w12066)

EDIT: Sorry, wrong paper. Looking for the right one.

Even the fact that you point out "in the US" should be an indicator of the racism. I've never heard any other modern countries seriously complain about the allegedly inferior intellects of their black populace. Are American blacks different?...

Re: Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Post by Dewie »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #3
FD3SA wrote: post #2

It is my sincere hope that this understanding becomes pervasive in society, such that the inane social movements based upon naught but angry emotional mob mentality become part of history. As it stands, young boys are medicated with psychiatric drugs for beings boys, and this is deemed acceptable by society. Boys are failing at every step in public institutions, with higher drop out rates at all levels of schooling.…

The truth lies somewhere in the middle, as it often does. It's fallacious to assume that there are no inborn differences between men and women. It's equally fallacious to insist (as many do and will, probably citing this study) that there are vast and uncrossable gulfs between men and women, and that anyone who crosses those gulfs anyway must be some sort of deviant. Humans are complex, the product of both nature and…

Assuming that there is a middle ground is also a fallacy, however intuitive that middle ground seems to be on the surface.

Re: Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Post by phaer »

phaer wrote: post #51
s_baby wrote: post #44

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If it's wrong to force traditional roles/identities onto those with a "queer" predisposition then the opposite is also true.

That's true, I'd oppose it if they really force the boy against his wishes to wear dresses, etc. But that's not clear from what I read because it's often described as 'forcing' when parents buy non-traditional toys and cloths for their children. So I'd need more context to say something about the described case. Personally I am not really sure if there even is something like a predisposition for sexual preference. Do…

A response would be even more appreciated than a down-vote ;)

Re: Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Post by Rimpinths »

sjtrny wrote: post #55
Beliavsky wrote: post #32

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"All people are the same: race does not matter." In the U.S. whites score about one standard deviation above blacks on IQ tests such as WISC and Stanford-Binet, and in adoption studies that try to control for environment, this difference does not go away. Race is more than skin deep.

Citation needed

I'm reluctant to get involved in the politically incorrect side of this argument, but FWIW, that stat comes from "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns", which was a paper published in the mid-90s by the American Psychological Association (in response to the controversial book "The Bell Curve").

From the paper:

"The differential between the mean intelligence test scores of Blacks and Whites (about one standard deviation, although it may be diminishing) does not result from any obvious biases in test construction and administration, nor does it simply reflect differences in socio-economic status. Explanations based on factors of caste and culture may be appropriate, but so far have little direct empirical support. There is certainly no such support for a genetic interpretation. At present, no one knows what causes this differential."

Re: Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Post by leoedin »

Filligree wrote: post #71
mikegreiling wrote: post #10

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There's a feminist-led campaign on wikipedia to get tripe like this added to articles on human sexual differences: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sex_differences_in... "The smaller difference in lower body strength may be due to the fact that during childhood, both males and females frequently exercise their leg muscles during activities like running, walking, and playing. Males, however, are socially pres…

Isn't that actually true? Speaking as a male who feels no particular need for higher upper body strength, I've certainly felt pressured at times. Somehow my sister never is.

While there probably is societal pressures, to suggest that the difference between male and female upper body strength is solely down to physical activity after birth is ludicrous.

Re: Widespread sex differences in gene expression in the human brain (2013)

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Post by gfodor »

vacri wrote: post #50
maratd wrote: post #39

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I'm sorry, but I have no idea what your comment actually means. What gulfs? Men and women are complimentary. The masculine and the feminine interplay between each other and cooperate toward mutual benefit. There is no gulf. I reject the notion that we somehow have to eliminate the feminine and the masculine, to be left with some sort of androgynous average. That's just nonsense. And yes, some men can be feminine and…

There is way too much false dichotomy in your comment. Boiling people down to being merely masculine or feminine is highly oversimplifying the human condition.

well that's, just like, your opinion man
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