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BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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In future driving will no longer be fun It's funny seeing BMW try to be a forerunner in this space, after all of their "BMW: The Ultimate Driving Machine" ad campaigns. They were one of the few car makers that actually spoke of driving fun! (Or, well, driving pleasure)

Note that "The Ultimate Driving Machine" doesn't imply that a human is the one driving. :-)

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I don't think this will be the case. Automated driving is only useful if you know where you're going. If you're on a leisurely ride through the country or are looking for a place with no address, you can't use automated navigation. So disabling it would be a necessity for a variety of driving purposes. As an aside, motorsport enthusiasts would be up in arms if they had to pay a premium just to be able to drive their…

Please stop "leisure driving". Traffic is a tremendous drain on my life as it is with superfluous cars on the road.

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Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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This is bad news (despite being a BMW owner) In future driving will no longer be fun, if you want to drive "non-automated" car or disable "auto-pilot" your insurance company will automatically jack up your premium, since they would consider self driving cars "safer"

Considering insurance companies already insure airplanes, and you can turn the autopilot off without losing insurance, I somehow doubt this future. Airplanes are both more expensive and cause more damage when you crash them, and yet, you can rent them and insure them all the same.

IMO, that's because the AI is not yet proven to be actually safer than human. And it's pretty interesting what will be happen if the AI eventually comes up. Anyway, it doesn't seem to happen anytime soon.

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Wonder when Google will have their self-driving fleet taking people from the Las Vegas airport to their hotels during CES? It would be a great publicity stunt. "Currently California, Florida and Nevada have licensed autonomous vehicles to be tested on their public roads, and Google's fleet of 24 robot Lexus SUVs (sports utility vehicles) have clocked up about 500,000 miles of unassisted driving so far without any rep…

Can you imagine the emergency procedures they have in place to cover up any mishaps? A few payoffs here, a few altered records there... no mishaps!

Do tell, how is one to search for news about a mishap? I think the Googlebot may have difficulty recalling such articles.

Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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This is bad news (despite being a BMW owner) In future driving will no longer be fun, if you want to drive "non-automated" car or disable "auto-pilot" your insurance company will automatically jack up your premium, since they would consider self driving cars "safer"

I think that's absolutely reasonable that they remove your premium if you want to remove other people's safety just for your own fun.

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I think the lives of humans are more important than some thrill seekers who want to drive around a few tons of metal without paying extra.

What's the point of a life not enjoyed?

What's the point of life if you die? I don't want to die, therefore I strongly suggest we make it illegal for humans to drive vehicles on public roads. The trade-off is in my opinion really small compared to the millions of lives saved.

If you want to have fun, have it at places where it doesn't kill people. It's like smoking, outside is fine - you are only killing yourself - but don't do it in bars/the office/hospitals/other places where you might kill others.

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I think the lives of humans are more important than some thrill seekers who want to drive around a few tons of metal without paying extra.

What's the point of a life not enjoyed?

What's the point of a life wasted when someone loses control of their car and injures someone who was driving responsibly?

Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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I can't see any reason why we can't have both; you control the car until it detects a dangerous situation and then takes over. Sounds ideal really, you could go faster than you can now, safe in the knowledge that if things go bad the computer will kick in and take over.

I think part of the safety boost of self-driving cars is that they don't get impatient, and neither will you since you're reading a book/email/facebook/whatever. Self-driving cars ought to also be capable of driving like grandmothers. That's part of why I expect them to be safer. The idea that you can drive a car to the brink of a high-speed collision and then magically expect it to out-react a seasoned driver into a…

There's no reason why you can't drive it to the brink of a crash and then have it recover for you. The 'brink' in this case is the latest the computer can reliably recover - not a point 100ms before an unavoidable collision.

Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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Here's a promo video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL_enMPWT7s

I think I spotted an overturned cone at the 55 second mark ... Wired magazine had a small piece about the presentation, including that video: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/01/bmw-builds-self-driftin...

Two in fact.
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