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BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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This is bad news (despite being a BMW owner) In future driving will no longer be fun, if you want to drive "non-automated" car or disable "auto-pilot" your insurance company will automatically jack up your premium, since they would consider self driving cars "safer"

I think the lives of humans are more important than some thrill seekers who want to drive around a few tons of metal without paying extra.

What's the point of a life not enjoyed?

Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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post #16

This is bad news (despite being a BMW owner) In future driving will no longer be fun, if you want to drive "non-automated" car or disable "auto-pilot" your insurance company will automatically jack up your premium, since they would consider self driving cars "safer"

We should expect that, assuming that self-driving cars are in fact safer, insurance rates will go down for people with self-driving cars, and remain the same for manual drivers.

The rates for manual drivers will be a function of how safe that pool of drivers are. If a large portion of the manual drivers do it for fun and are more reckless than the current average driver, their rates may in fact go up.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the cost to society (in lives lost) worth the cost to individual enjoyment?

The cost of all your enjoyment is your own life; you too will die. It depends on how much pleasure you get out of driving. I certainly think it's worth some fraction of a life. And of course, a certain amount of the risk comes from inattentive drivers who don't enjoy driving, and would rather read a book or eat cereal (or both) on the road.

There is, I believe, a certain amount of risk simply be being on the road at all. No self-driving car is going to prevent that.

What I'd like to know, though, is that as self-driving cars become developed, the labs are calculating the risk factors of various intersections, streets, exchanges, etc. That is, different roads can be analyzed by the robot cars and independently assigned a risk factor for a given section of street.

The resulting impact to traffic engineering and city resource prioritization could be a very interesting side-effect to the introduction of self-driving cars.

Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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post #16

This is bad news (despite being a BMW owner) In future driving will no longer be fun, if you want to drive "non-automated" car or disable "auto-pilot" your insurance company will automatically jack up your premium, since they would consider self driving cars "safer"

I don't think this will be the case. Automated driving is only useful if you know where you're going. If you're on a leisurely ride through the country or are looking for a place with no address, you can't use automated navigation. So disabling it would be a necessity for a variety of driving purposes. As an aside, motorsport enthusiasts would be up in arms if they had to pay a premium just to be able to drive their…

Please stop "leisure driving". Traffic is a tremendous drain on my life as it is with superfluous cars on the road.

Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

#46
post #16

This is bad news (despite being a BMW owner) In future driving will no longer be fun, if you want to drive "non-automated" car or disable "auto-pilot" your insurance company will automatically jack up your premium, since they would consider self driving cars "safer"

We should expect that, assuming that self-driving cars are in fact safer, insurance rates will go down for people with self-driving cars, and remain the same for manual drivers.

They will go down for manual drivers, too. If you hit your brakes now, you get hit from behind. If the car behind you is a robot, it will come to a stop at 5cm from your car.

Unless, of course, the manual drivers counteract by driving more dangerously. Why stop for a red traffic light if all other cars are driven by computer? Can you try and get an autonomous car to drive into a ditch by moving your car very close to it?

I think there will have to be laws governing such behavior ('harassment of an autonomous vehicle'), with video cameras in the autonomous vehicles providing the evidence.

That also is a reason that I think driverless cars will not work everywhere for quite a number of years. In the typical old city in Western Europe, an automated car will have to negotiate with pedestrians and cyclists for room. Once the pedestrians know that a car will brake if 'challenged', they will change their behavior. I know I would (I guess driving a self-driving car through the center of London or, better yet, Amsterdam in rush hour must be one of the hardest challenges)

Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the lives of humans are more important than some thrill seekers who want to drive around a few tons of metal without paying extra.

What's the point of a life not enjoyed?

The issue is only people putting other lives at risk. Driving is statistically unsafe for other people, not just yourself.

1) you can still drive traditionally on private courses. 2) your right to enjoy hurling yourself around in a 2 ton missile shouldn't be more important than my right to life

Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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0_o Why don't we work on self-driving cars that drive correctly, first? Then the "HERP-DERP, I'MMA DRIVIN' SIDEWAYS!" enthusiasts can work on their own cars (hopefully on their own closed tracks and roads).

Being able to drive sideways may be tech that applies to recovering from an emergency situation like black ice.

Re: BMW shows off 'drifting' self-drive cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this will be the case. Automated driving is only useful if you know where you're going. If you're on a leisurely ride through the country or are looking for a place with no address, you can't use automated navigation. So disabling it would be a necessity for a variety of driving purposes. As an aside, motorsport enthusiasts would be up in arms if they had to pay a premium just to be able to drive their…

Please stop "leisure driving". Traffic is a tremendous drain on my life as it is with superfluous cars on the road.

I suspect people looking for a "leisure drive" abhor traffic as much as you. They're probably on quieter roads with fewer people, cars, and cops.
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