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Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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Re: Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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I've been using Bing for the past week, apparently Experts Exchange looks for the google referrer and if present shows the solution on the page, otherwise if you are using Bing or something else you have to register to see the solution.

Very Annoying. I wish google/bing/yahoo would just ban EE.

Re: Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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It breaks even on a very small amount of ads. There are plans to make more money with a job board and a contractor/client bidding board. They also have plans for internal enterprise versions for companies. It was recently valued at $1M during a recent podcast.

I'm guessing you actually mean it covers running costs on a small amount of ads. A small amount of ads doesn't pay many wage bills* - I'm guessing there are a equivalent of a couple of full-time people working on SO? Doing backups fighting off crackers, ensuring trust metrics aren't abused, making optimisation changes, upgrading hardware, etc.. 500000 uniques but how many ad clicks? I'd imagine their clicks-per-impre…

The Jason Calacanis Stackoverflow podcast did a pretty interesting analysis of business potential of the site (to me at least), discussing most of the points you mention.

Re: Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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I'd say catching, but not eating away. There's nothing in this graph that suggests market share is being taken away.

Except the unique visitors to hyphen also includes those that go there from Google, find they have to sign up and immediately go away in disgust.

Exactly what I just did.

Re: Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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You might already know this, but I believe the answer is always on the landing page. You just have to scroll all the way down. They put enough crap on the top of the page to make you think you have to login. The site is still lame though ;)

That must be new (like in the past couple of years). I've been trained out of considering it worth scrolling down. I usually click the back button before the page even finishes loading...it's pretty much instant. I look up to the URL bar, realize where it's taking me, I say something nasty and curse their mothers, and click the back button. The whole process takes about a second. Now that you mention it, I seem to re…

If I recall correctly, essentially they used to hide or cover their content using css. In Firefox with the Web Developer Toolbar I would just hit Ctrl+Shift+S to disable styles to read the content. Now you can just scroll-down.

Re: Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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Agreed - they've been corrupting my search results for far too long. Its refreshing to see this in its place.

Does google have a blacklist feature? Can I exclude all links from a certain domain within my google prefs? This needs to be a feature. I came across 3 or 4 experts-exchange pages today when looking to fix a small apache issue.

Customize Google offers great filtering for Firefox users:

http://customizegoogle.com/

From the front page: "Filter spammy websites from search results"

exactly what I do with Tek-Tips...

Re: Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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I'm guessing you actually mean it covers running costs on a small amount of ads. A small amount of ads doesn't pay many wage bills* - I'm guessing there are a equivalent of a couple of full-time people working on SO? Doing backups fighting off crackers, ensuring trust metrics aren't abused, making optimisation changes, upgrading hardware, etc.. 500000 uniques but how many ad clicks? I'd imagine their clicks-per-impre…

The Jason Calacanis Stackoverflow podcast did a pretty interesting analysis of business potential of the site (to me at least), discussing most of the points you mention.

OK, I've tried to look for the podcast. There are like 60 of them and they appear to be rambling conversations - can you point me a bit more directly?

Re: Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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Same here. What really bugs me is that Google could have made their users happier and put this thing to rest years ago if they just gave e-e an ultimatum, or better yet, dropped them from the index without warning. That's what they did to other sites, for example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4685750.stm

According to that article BMW was breaching Google's guidelines. No such thing can be said for Experts-Exchange. The simple fact that you don't like Experts-Exchange should not be any reason for Google to remove the page. I personally don't mind the EE pages. They tend to have good answers from time to time. I have a bigger beef with sites like mysqlperformanceblog.com that frequently get their search result pages in…

EE might not breach the guidelines now, but they used to. I remember having to switch my user agent to Googlebot to get results.

Re: Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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The Jason Calacanis Stackoverflow podcast did a pretty interesting analysis of business potential of the site (to me at least), discussing most of the points you mention.

OK, I've tried to look for the podcast. There are like 60 of them and they appear to be rambling conversations - can you point me a bit more directly?

http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/podcast-56/

Re: Stackoverflow Eating Away at Experts-Exchange

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Except the unique visitors to hyphen also includes those that go there from Google, find they have to sign up and immediately go away in disgust.

Actually, when I come there directly from Google, I do not have to login, just scroll down. However, if I bookmark the page and come back later, I won't see the answers. If I want to see it again, I have to enter the question title into Google and re-search, then go directly from Google again. Eeeew!

This seems to be new behavior (possibly to stem losses to StackOverflow?). Several months ago, they did not display answers, even when coming from Google. At some point before that, they displayed answers overlaid with an image to make the answers hard to read.

They were pretty obviously experimenting to find out what kind of annoyance would convince free users to sign up.

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