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How We Detect Adblock

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Re: How We Detect Adblock

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Webdevs reading this: it does work. I whitelist all sites that have responsible ads on their pages, reddit being a prime example. They have ads in a couple predetermined spots on their pages, and they're never intrusive. I've actually clicked on a couple (something I never do). Be responsible and open about your ad policy and I'll listen.

This brings up another case for detecting AdBlock: if you think your users are receptive to whitelisting non-annoying ads, you could detect the plugin and let them know that you strive to incorporate ads in a non-intrusive way and kindly ask them to disable AdBlock. Edit: sounds like this is what reddit does. Props to them!

Incidentally, you don't need PageFair to communicate with AdBlock users. I've seen several sites that just have a text message behind their ad image, so you don't see it unless the ad doesn't load.

I guess PageFair additionally lets you collect statistics on how many users are blocking ads, which may be useful.

Re: How We Detect Adblock

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Please note that AdBlock is different to AdBlock Plus, despite the almost same names (I assume this was on purpose) https://getadblock.com/ But yes, agree with your point if you are a ABP user.

Actually AdBlock Plus had the name first!

Ha, didn't know that! Cool.

Re: How We Detect Adblock

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>We then carefully observe what happens when a page loads. onLoad and onError events tell us if they’re successfully retrieved or if requests have been blocked Unfortunately for them many Adblock users also use Noscript or Javascript Blocker. Circumventing Adblock this way will just drive more people to prevent untrusted websites running code on their machines. A net win for web security but probably not the intended…

Can anyone else confirm this? Personally, I've always used AdBlock, but never used a Javascript blocker because it is substantially more effort and I am lazy. I do use Disconnect, though, to block that certain flavor of JS.

I use adblock and Ghostery. Partly because I'm tired of ads but mostly because I'm tired of sites connecting to ten external services making pages load slower and sending my details to third parties without my consent.

Re: How We Detect Adblock

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I'll continue to ad-block even if ads are non-intrusive or annoying. I prefer no ads to any ads. If your website requires a monetization scheme to exist, and you can't find a monetization scheme that doesn't pollute your product with (even nice simple) ads, that's not really my problem. I didn't force you to publish. If I want your content, then I'd be happy to help pay for its generation. If it satisfies my terms, o…

I'm curious. What websites do you currently pay for access to? Any?

I donate to Wikipedia, Democracy Now (http://www.democracynow.org/), and TVO (http://www.tvo.org).

Re: How We Detect Adblock

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Destructoid reported an ad-block rate of 30-45%. In general the wider estimate is 30% of ALL ads across the web are getting blocked. http://www.destructoid.com/half-of-destructoid-s-readers-blo... At Quartz we're lucky - it appears to be 13%. I've used Ad-Blocker for years in the past. Not sure why I stopped (new computer, never installed?) but its been a few years at least. However now that I work more on the ad sid…

Way fewer than 30% of visitors will ever click on an ad, and way fewer than 30% of visitors that click will actually convert after clicking (for non-CPC ads). So the question should be how many of that 30% that's using Adblock would have ever clicked on an ad or converted?

Re: How We Detect Adblock

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>We then carefully observe what happens when a page loads. onLoad and onError events tell us if they’re successfully retrieved or if requests have been blocked Unfortunately for them many Adblock users also use Noscript or Javascript Blocker. Circumventing Adblock this way will just drive more people to prevent untrusted websites running code on their machines. A net win for web security but probably not the intended…

If a website popups up a message "we detected you are running adblock, please whitelist us to continue" I will press that little x button and move on. My feeling is they are most likely trying to spam me with something or malware me.

I've used another site by the pagefair guys while running adblock and it didn't prevent me from using the site but rather asked me nicely to perhaps turn adblock off. But I didn't...

Re: How We Detect Adblock

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While I get the point, you can't claim revenues you never received are a "cost."

It does cost you if the ad revenue is supposed to cover your bandwidth costs. If you're hosting something heavy and users don't offset it by clicking the ads every once in a while, it's a problem. Also there are plugins out there which will load the ad content, but never display it - that means if you pay to advertise somewhere, you just paid for nothing (service was provided, but noone saw the ad).

Having ads that nobody likes and ads that nobody sees pays the same.

The case where you need to know if ads are being blocked or not is when you're trying to determine if you should change the ads or find another way to monetize the site.

Re: How We Detect Adblock

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My prediction; Websites/Services will eventually start providing an Advertising Policy similar to today's Privacy Policy or Terms of Use. This Advertising Policy will help the content consumer understand the Websites/Services Stance on Advertising, what types of Ad's they allow, etc. This will help consumers choose what Sites they want to allow (aka support Ad revenue), and what Sites they want to Block.

Re: How We Detect Adblock

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Many sites do this, but the problem with Adblock that most people are not happy about is that it AUTOMATICALLY blocks everything. You have to whitelist, and most people just turn adblock on and leave it be... If it was required to blacklist instead of whitelist it'd be better. Many sites with non-intrusive ads are being blocked because of this and that's detrimental. It's already hurting many businesses to the point…

There are two problems with your claims: I, as a user, wouldn't be happy having to blacklist all sites. I won't pay a monthly fee for most sites, because I read a little on a lot of sites - I don't mind paying a 1 penny per article fee if it is convinient.

Unless you visit some very shady sites, having a auto-blacklist isn't needed, and a whitelist is best to keep both parties happy. And if Adblock continues to grow the way it does, the second route is gonna be what happens, nobody is gonna be able to make any money off advertising therefore they'll have to take other routes to pay for their servers to provide you with your content free of charge.

Re: How We Detect Adblock

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So has anybody ever tried to address the root cause of adblocker use, i.e. ads are really fucking annoying? I don't like ads in general, nobody does, but that alone wouldn't be enough to make me bother to install and maintain AdBlock. What does it is strobing "YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY WON" and animated "one weird trick" scams and softcore porn. This shit is everywhere , even on allegedly respectable news sites. If you wa…

I'll continue to ad-block even if ads are non-intrusive or annoying. I prefer no ads to any ads. If your website requires a monetization scheme to exist, and you can't find a monetization scheme that doesn't pollute your product with (even nice simple) ads, that's not really my problem. I didn't force you to publish. If I want your content, then I'd be happy to help pay for its generation. If it satisfies my terms, o…

Agreed. Any site that offers me real value -- enough that I would return regularly -- is a site I'd probably give a few dollars a year to, rather than have ads. Of course, if I'm just a hit and run seeing your site once or twice a year or only once ever, then I'm not going to do anything and there is no relationship there.

Unfortunately, the problem with this is:

1) Most sites try to make the best of both options. They put ads everywhere, which essentially makes them beholden to the advertiser and not the reader and then offer an option to give them some money instead of seeing ads. That only addresses "I don't want to see 10,000 ads every day" part. It doesn't address the "I want to be your focus - not your product that you deliver to your advertisers" part.

2) Why is it that when places offer a "support us with money" option, they are so ridiculously expensive? Instead of spamming my face with ads every day, give me an option where I can go ad-free for maybe $5 a year. Nobody does that, though. They say "you can see ads or you can pay us $50/yr". Seriously, you are not getting $50 in value from advertising to me in a year, so why are you jacking up the price ten times over just so I can go without the ads?!

Ultimately, none of this matters. Internet advertising is a joke and a scam and advertisers will slowly catch on. The whole "it's super targeted you guys!" thing really isn't turning out to be that valuable and it is all rampant with fake click-farms and other inherent problems.

Also, the only thing I hate more than a huge site throwing ads in my face for their content is when every little mommy-blogger or part-time ranter on the internet with a Blogger blog has to monetize their stuff. Look, you are not making a living at this. You are not ever going to make a living at this. Why would you do something so gross as to fill a page with advertising for those six people you might get each month who actually bother to read your site?

Do people not realize that there was a time when we did things online (or even back in the BBS days) for the joy of it? For the joy of making and maintaining systems and services? Or for the joy of having people read what we have to say or make use of services we have to offer? Not only didn't we expect to make money (much less a living) from it, we actually spent plenty of our own money.

But now, if you can't monetize something, it just isn't worth doing, I guess. Gross. And you'd rather advertise to me rather than just take a buck from me in a value-for-value trade. Double gross.

PS: I pay for or donate to a number of online services and websites from RDIO and GiantBomb to a couple torrent sites, charities, and chipping in a dollar or two when I find something really special on one site or another that I really particularly appreciated. I'm not cheap. I just don't want to stare at tens of thousands of ads for 8-12hrs a day every day of my life. And, ideally, I'd also rather be a customer than a product... which I guess depends on everyone else also wanting to be a customer, but they're too cheap and would rather just look at a page that is 70% ads than give a dollar now and then.

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