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Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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His boss fired him and told him why? Never do that. When firing someone in an at-will state, just do it and explain nothing. Explanations can easily lead to lawsuits. It's just not worth the risk.

Conversely, all other conditions being equal, employees in an at-will state have more incentives to mislead their management.

Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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That may be true for you and the other 99% of customers. However, if that 1% of customers who do consider such things to matter are the most important of a given firm's customers, then their opinions on such issues can have an astronomical impact on the business.

An advise like "please put a hold on your side project or at least creat a different name to deal with that" would have solved the problem. Or at least would be transparent. Sure, we only listened to one side, but this sounds like creating absurd reasoning to try to justify what the company did.

But once it's out there, it's connected to him -- in the cache, in people's memory, etc. Changing the name might help a bit, but then this is all speculation since he didn't find out whether his comedy work was a factor.

Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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I take it that you're not a "person who wears a suit"? The reality of the business world is that those who control the money are often "people who wear suits". This is especially true when large sums of money are involved. If a given business wants such people (and the organizations they represent) as clients, then the business will need to conform to the expectations of these potential clients. The impact of such co…

> I take it that you're not a "person who wears a suit"? I'm a person whose life experience tells me anyone wearing a suit is, to a very high degree of probability, evil, stupid, or both. Do your justifications work both ways or not? If it's just fine to discriminate against someone for not wearing a suit, is it equally fine for me to discriminate against someone for wearing a suit? > the business will need to confor…

"...anyone wearing a suit is, to a very high degree of probability, evil, stupid, or both."

Or at a job interview.

Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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> I take it that you're not a "person who wears a suit"? I'm a person whose life experience tells me anyone wearing a suit is, to a very high degree of probability, evil, stupid, or both. Do your justifications work both ways or not? If it's just fine to discriminate against someone for not wearing a suit, is it equally fine for me to discriminate against someone for wearing a suit? > the business will need to confor…

Of course you can distrust somebody who wears a suit. I didn't say that you couldn't, or that you shouldn't. You keep forgetting about the context we're discussing here, though: real-world business dealings. When one party has money, and the other party wants some of it, the party with the money generally sets the tone of the business relationship. This may involve certain expectations with respect to how the people…

> Of course you can distrust somebody who wears a suit.

I didn't say distrust, I said discriminate against. As in, "I don't like that you wear a suit, so you're fired.".

> I'm merely pointing out this very real fact of today's business world, and how it's plausible that appearance can play a very significant role in business relationships.

You're pointing out that many people are willing to be unethical to make money. This is neither surprising nor interesting.

It is, however, disgusting, and doubly so because the appeasement is the only thing that allows it to persist in the first place. If the person with money had trouble finding vendors who lived up to their arbitrary expectations, the incentive would exist to change those expectations.

Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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I was cool with it until here : "Well it turns out I could [be fired], unless it could be reasonably inferred that I was being fired for being part of a protected class. So had my boss said “The CEO thinks you dress like a faggot” or “The CEO thinks that’s what a nigger would wear”, things would have been different. But as it stands, the fact that my boss told me I was being fired related to appearance at all was def…

I agree, and I still don't understand why he chose the use of those words.

Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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post #26

His boss fired him and told him why? Never do that. When firing someone in an at-will state, just do it and explain nothing. Explanations can easily lead to lawsuits. It's just not worth the risk.

You're absolutely right. You should never tell someone you're firing why you're firing them. They should already know that before they've even walked in the room.

Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may be true for you and the other 99% of customers. However, if that 1% of customers who do consider such things to matter are the most important of a given firm's customers, then their opinions on such issues can have an astronomical impact on the business.

Hi there. I'm the author of the piece (my friend just emailed me to tell me I'm on here - which is all sorts of cool and weird). I didn't run the Full Disclosure site at the time but I was doing standup comedy, which certainly could've been one of the reasons. Comedians have to have a web presence, so if you were to google my name, videos of me doing standup may have appeared. But to tell someone not to pursue their…

Sorry for what happened to you, but in reality what you do off the clock does indeed matter. Companies have an image to maintain, not least startups which are trying to woo more venture capital, and you can bet that the VC's staff will be researching each and every employee. And if it's not VC, it's a potential purchaser or a broker that's going to take you public.

It sounds like your CEO was probably a jerk, but in his mind he may have had his company's welfare as top priority.

Now as for sacrificing one's soul for a paycheck, well, that's a personal choice. Maybe you should be up front with your next employer about your stand-up stuff and see how they respond. Once it's out in the open, you will at least know where they stand.

Best of luck.

Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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post #54
post #26

His boss fired him and told him why? Never do that. When firing someone in an at-will state, just do it and explain nothing. Explanations can easily lead to lawsuits. It's just not worth the risk.

So in the US you don't have to give explanations? Damn that sucks for the ex-employee. In France you have to write a report in order to fire someone unless they're in their trial period.

Which is why people HATE to hire in France: it's so hard to undo a bad hiring decision that no one will take a chance on a candidate who only "might" work out.

The right solution, in my opinion, is allow fire-at-will like we do in California, and have thorough unemployment benefits so that it's not worth making a fuss over.

Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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post #26

His boss fired him and told him why? Never do that. When firing someone in an at-will state, just do it and explain nothing. Explanations can easily lead to lawsuits. It's just not worth the risk.

At the fear of being labeled immature/unprofessional: i have found that in many cases i morally owe my employees reasons for their being let go. I have never had to release an engineer on behavioral issues, so i always try to be clear with them about paths to improvement. i'm certain this varies across companies, but in the startups i have worked for i've build very close relationships to many of my coworkers. i like…

It's always great if you can tell the employee what they need to do to improve. Do that while they still have a job. Work with them on it more than once.

Just don't do that at firing time.

Re: Why I Was Fired From a Tech Startup and What My Boss Had to Say About It

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> I was told that neither salary nor equity were negotiable, but I was sold on the promise of the company. Yo, fuck that. Everything is negotiable to one degree or another. That sounds like someone trying to take advantage of you.

Everything can be negotiable. But it's important to know exactly what your pull is in the negotiations. I recently negotiated a recruiter out of their standard contract for freelancers, and had them accept my proposal for a contract.

This only happened for two reasons: there was some bad stuff in that contract that I really didn't want to agree to, and if they didn't sign a contract with me, I could go directly to their client. They had no power over me, and we both knew it.

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