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Re: Erdogan says social media 'danger to society'

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Post by eatitraw »

flyinRyan wrote: post #68
eatitraw wrote: post #48

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States killed around 200 million people in 20th century. Does your statistics on violence include these victims?

Those numbers sound very low to me, actually.

Why? It is several percents of current world population. As I point out in nearby comment, if you simply divide this number by 100, you'll get rate that is 4x more than individual murder rate.

The invidual murder rate doesn't seem to vary a lot across century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentiona... (judging by US), and total world population was 4 times lower in the beginning of 20th century, so I guess the "government murders : individual murders" ratio may be even bigger.

And this is not counting sick sad stuff like unfair incancernation: nazi concentration camps, gulag in the USSR, camps in North Korea(where people may spend their whole life after they are born). For example, USSR government used capital punishment several times less often than imprisonment in gulag. Of course, on average gulag is better than capital punishment, but IMO - it is still government-made violence.

In modern Russia there are a lot of people suffering because court system is fucked up: 99%+ of court verdict are convictions(<1% acquittals). Of course, not all cases get in court(some get closed before), but it is not so difficult to fake evidence. This is not an officially and centrally declared violence, but still it is violence. Regular criminals rob random people too.

Re: Erdogan says social media 'danger to society'

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Post by taejo »

flyinRyan wrote: post #65
Sven7 wrote: post #14

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This is very easy to say. Politicians are just reflections of who we all are. And imho they have the hardest jobs on the planet today. There isn't a course on Khan Academy, that they can take, which tells them what to do when uncontrolled chain reactions are set off by Social networks. The results will always be messy. And to then say if they just did the "right thing" all will be well, isn't being very realistic. Wh…

Hardest job on the planet? You need to take a step back and look how ignorant this statement is. If you fail as a politician what happens? You might get voted out. But even this isn't that big of a deal unless it comes too early in your career, because you should have plenty of cushy jobs lined up from all the companies you've helped in your political career. Pretty much every other possible job is harder and more ri…

> If you fail as a politician what happens? You might get voted out.

That says nothing about the probability of failure, only the consequences of it. Is writing operating systems easier than driving just because you're less likely to die while doing it?

Re: Erdogan says social media 'danger to society'

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

shmerl wrote: post #70
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #52

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That's trashy, nasty, cynical comedy for trashy, nasty, cynical yemanim . Don't post it in here.

Hehe, can't stand the satire? Satire is not forbidden here, you'll live with it. Where is this sick notion coming from, that left-winged are supposed to be big fans of dictators? Go learn some wisdom, left-winged friend. Preferably from Kropotkin. I find nothing trashy or nasty in making fun of fascists/dictators like these. And there is nothing right-winged in making fun of them.

Where is this sick notion coming from, that left-winged are supposed to be big fans of dictators?

I've never heard of it, so my best answer is: the depths of your brain.

I find nothing trashy or nasty in making fun of fascists/dictators like these. And there is nothing right-winged in making fun of them.

Are you a first-timer to Latma, or are you just pretending it doesn't equate everyone to the Left of Bibi with these dictators?

Re: Erdogan says social media 'danger to society'

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Post by shmerl »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #73
shmerl wrote: post #70

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Hehe, can't stand the satire? Satire is not forbidden here, you'll live with it. Where is this sick notion coming from, that left-winged are supposed to be big fans of dictators? Go learn some wisdom, left-winged friend. Preferably from Kropotkin. I find nothing trashy or nasty in making fun of fascists/dictators like these. And there is nothing right-winged in making fun of them.

Where is this sick notion coming from, that left-winged are supposed to be big fans of dictators? I've never heard of it, so my best answer is: the depths of your brain. I find nothing trashy or nasty in making fun of fascists/dictators like these. And there is nothing right-winged in making fun of them. Are you a first-timer to Latma, or are you just pretending it doesn't equate everyone to the Left of Bibi with the…

I've never heard of it

Oh, really? How supposedly "naive". But I'm sure you've heard of it. Many so called "lefts" today would rather support these dictators, just because they are antisemitic enough for their tastes.

Anyway, going back to the topic, you claimed that this making fun of "three terrors" somehow equals to "that's trashy, nasty, cynical comedy for trashy, nasty, cynical yemanim" - your words, not mine. I challenged you, what's so right-winged in this satire? From my pro anarchist perspective this satire is brilliant. Instead of standing for your words, you started switching gears, claiming that Latma is pro right-wing. But I'll fix that for you. Again, what's so right-winged in this satire?

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Post by parasubvert »

eatitraw wrote: post #63
parasubvert wrote: post #62

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Yes, if you read the book synopsis. All indicators point to violence falling globally.

Ok, thanks, I added the book into my to-read list, so I'll read it when I have enough time. My skepticism isn't unfounded: I remember watching some TED talk(I guess: by the author of this book -- I googled "Steven Pinker ted talk" but I didn't do any additional check). And this talk discussed rates of individual violence(IIRC, murder statistics or something like that), and I was wondering all the time why he excludes…

There are some FAQs on his book here (for example, how he complied war violence stats): http://stevenpinker.com/pages/frequently-asked-questions-abo...

Re: Erdogan says social media 'danger to society'

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Post by derleth »

smegel wrote: post #41
skylan_q wrote: post #29

Anyone care to say why he's wrong? I'd like a bit more elaboration from his argument, but it's possible that he's right.

I somehow don't think he was referring to Facebook addiction and social alienation resulting from "virtual friends", which is about the only time I would agree with someone who says social media is "hurting society".

Are pen pals "virtual friends"?

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Post by smegel »

derleth wrote: post #76
smegel wrote: post #41

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I somehow don't think he was referring to Facebook addiction and social alienation resulting from "virtual friends", which is about the only time I would agree with someone who says social media is "hurting society".

Are pen pals "virtual friends"?

Its an interesting question, but I would have as much concern for someone who conducted their social life primarily via hand written letters as I would someone who spends 10 hours a day on Facebook.

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Post by X4 »

Sven7 wrote: post #46
X4 wrote: post #25

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I'm sorry, but this is naive and idealistic. Politicians don't work hard and they never will, don't get fooled by the Media. Just because one travels a lot doesn't mean he/she doesn't have enough sleep or that he/she works very hard. It's the opposite!!11 They use your tax money to buy stuff for them and their family. They hire their relatives for "ghost-jobs" and double their salary within the law that they signed t…

Have you managed a team of people?

Yes I have, different sizes of teams on many occasions and with very different mentalities, religions, motivations and "qualities".

But that's an "Apples" vs "Oranges" type of comparison. Don't compare a team with a party. A team is working to solve a problem. A party is there to reflect their ideology and motivations and to fight against other parties. Different parties rarely find consensus, because they don't work to solve a problem. They work just for themselves and THAT's the problem! But hey if you agree that bureaucratically manifesting your ideas is work, it's ok.

To answer your question: I had no failures until now and I am grateful for that. There would be no excuse if I had one though. I and my team would know what my failures were. Communicating that early is very important. But admitting failures officially is counter-effective, you're better off communicating countermeasures that will protect you from further failures. Avoid becoming the symbol of that one failure you had. Keep up, we're Start-Ups after all, no everybody will succeed in this race and it's ok. We should help other succeed when we can't. This is the big difference between you and a politician.

Ever seen a Republican going to the Democrats or vice vera who shared his knowledge having good intentions?

It is not the democracy which is wrong, people have the need for consensus. What's really wrong is that the people with the wrong mentalities or motivations lead us. People we didn't vote for join the winning parties. Corruption evolved into a sign of success inside of those parties.

Politicians give excuses for their failures, but in reality the overall situation isn't the cause for their failure. There are no excuses!

Example: Try walking outside through the crowd looking very angry, very disappointed, very sad or very happy. Every emotion, idea and thought you have in your mind will unwillingly express in all you do. You shape everyone around you without noticing it. Your thought, has a lot of effects to your environment. When you look very angry for example, people could be irritated, afraid, or aggressive.

Reading all the books about Information Management and Project Management won't help you. First hand experience, will show you that it's very important to reflect what you want. Your team will find consensus based on that.

Re: Erdogan says social media 'danger to society'

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Post by X4 »

flyinRyan wrote: post #68
eatitraw wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

States killed around 200 million people in 20th century. Does your statistics on violence include these victims?

Those numbers sound very low to me, actually.

I agree those numbers are too artificial.

Does it count organized Government led Drone attacks incl. "collateral damage" or targets in the US and other countries?

What about unpublished or unpopular genocides, mass murders and deaths as direct cause of corrupted politicians? People don't only die in 3rd world countries. How many poeple died because of fracking in the USA? How many died, because of corruption in the medical system, yes here in our 1st world country. Deaths because of corruption in the organ transplantation system.

I am sure that there are millions of souls that these statistics do no good.

Re: Erdogan says social media 'danger to society'

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Post by flyinRyan »

eatitraw wrote: post #71
flyinRyan wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those numbers sound very low to me, actually.

Why? It is several percents of current world population. As I point out in nearby comment, if you simply divide this number by 100, you'll get rate that is 4x more than individual murder rate. The invidual murder rate doesn't seem to vary a lot across century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentiona... (judging by US), and total world population was 4 times lower in the beginning of 20th century,…

>And this is not counting sick sad stuff like unfair incancernation: nazi concentration camps, gulag in the USSR, camps in North Korea

This is what I was getting at. Things like Nazi concentration camps, starvation in Russia, etc., count because governments did this. It's an important thing to keep in mind for the people who believe democracy is non-optimal. Of course it's non-optimal, but in my mind I'm not looking for optimal, I'm looking to avoid situations where people are murdered unjustly by the government with no recourse.

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