As someone who has struggled with the effects of sleep apnea since I was a child, I humbly advise you to "Be kind; everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle"
You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
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Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
#72Conway asserts that the referenced post says "you are the victim here". But I think he (Jason Freedman) says that a subset of people who have extreme difficulty ("...it’s more than just the normal struggle to wake up in the morning") getting up may have Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome and not know it. As someone with an autoimmune disease that affects my sleep, I don't think physiology can be glossed over.
As well, I don't think he (Jason) was trying to create victims; he links to his advice and ends by saying "it is on you to decide to do something about it".
But having trouble getting up in the morning is not being a sissy, not for everyone.
Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
#73Light therapy. Or, you know, modafinil works too. The answer isn't always 'man up', neither is it 'I am a victim'. Just treat it and move on with your life. You're not a hero for getting to work on time, but neither are you a villain for being late.
Rather than starting with modafinil, melatonin should probably be the first step. It might help, and people do not report tolerance after prolonged use the way they do for modafinil.
Melatonin is fine if it works for you, and you find the right schedule to take it on, and you don't get terrible nightmares from it. Somehow I usually meet 2 of those criteria at a time.
Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the point here is that everything today is considered a "medical condition". While that makes sense from a medical perspective, all it does is give people excuses for not dealing with their problems. "I can't get to work on time, I have Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome". "I can't focus in class, I have Attention Deficit Disorder". These are genuine difficulties that afflicted people will have to face, but don't a…
all it does is give people excuses for not dealing with their problems. Even the original article didn't do that. The author lists several steps he took to improve his condition. He just wanted people to avoid useless guilt, he didn't give them a free pass.
here's some specific quotes I'm taking aim at here:
She was so relieved simply to know that she didn’t have a problem; or more specifically, she was relieved to know that her problem was real. For she had gone all these years thinking that she was just lazy.
For all of those of you out there suffering under the weight of your inability to wake up early each morning, consider this one giant pardon.
the post comes off as one giant "it's ok to put your hand up and say 'I have a named medical condition so can I be excused from class'". That could just be my biased interpretation though as I've come across such a mindset before and tend to react very angrily to it. If that's not the message at all then consider my rant misplaced.
Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
#75Article says more about author's worldview than anything else. Motivation by guilt works really well, until it stops working, and then you're in trouble. What do you do when you simply don't feel guilty about doing something like sleeping in?
Cognitive distortion #8: should statements
Cognitive distortion #10: labeling (sissies)
Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
#76 sissies plural of sis·sy (Noun)
Noun
derogatory. A person regarded as effeminate or cowardly.
derogatory. An effeminate homosexual.
> We used to value hard work. It was the cornerstone of our society. We invented computing, the telephone, the automobile and modern medicine. We invaded Normandy. We traveled to the moon.
Sounds like history was invented in the US too, by Joe Conway. Computing was invented by Alan Turing (incidentally a gay man) or Chales Babbage, both of which are from Britain. The telephone was incrementally invented by many people, some of them from the US but most not [1]. In particular, Graham Bell was born in Britain, lived in Canada, then in the US, and then again in Canada. The automobile was invented by Ferdinand Verbiest from Belgium. Modern medicine was invented by (among many others) Louis Pasteur, a Frenchman. Most of the troops in the invasion of Normandy were not from the US. The first spacecraft to the moon was from the Soviet Union.
The rest of the post isn't any better.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_of_the_telephone
Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
#77When left alone, I sleep from 4am to 10am.
I am not sick, I don't have any syndrome.
I have no trouble keeping my commitments, even if they entail being somewhere at 7am or partaking in the standardized work day. Getting up "early" and forcing my self to sleep before it's time is not optimal for my functioning, however. I fail to see how doing something sub-optimal is supposed to be a sign of heroism.
Joe Conway asserts that nobody functions well within the Standardized Sleep Cycle, which is simply wrong factually but more importantly if he actually believes this nonsense it's mind-bendingly malicious of him to advocate something that has no upside just because it's more macho.
To the douchebag author: Having a different sleep rhythm does not mean someone is a sissy. It doesn't mean they're lazy or unable to keep appointments. Your whole post is a huge straw man argument, and it's unpleasant to read due to you being so full of yourself.
Let me close this comment in my time-honored tradition of pissing off both sides equally: I think those fuzzy syndromes and disorders are bullshit. Humans are diverse, we're not as standardized as evolutionary psychologists would have everyone believe. Stop trying to be "normal", stop trying to make others "normal". Being "not normal" is not by itself a disorder or acronym-worthy.
Having a different default circadian rhythm does not mean you're sick. Nor does calling people sissies make you more manly, but that's for a different discussion.
Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
#78your generation might be full of sissies, but my generation is kickass.
> but my generation is kickass
Every generation thinks that. It's nothing new really.
Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
#79It's a common problem, and so worthy of a solution. I'm not sure the "get over it" solution is working. It's accepted that developers will work without wearing full suits. This isn't different, maybe allowances should be made for productivity's sake. Missing appointments is a different thing, and is unacceptable. Is day to day flexibility really that big of a problem?
I am pretty sure I have some version of DSPS, or maybe I am just a night owl. I've tried for years to fix it, going to bed hours earlier, locking my smartphone in a drawer, setting 12 alarms 2 minutes apart, taking pills. Nothing worked. Exercise helped a little, in that I was tired earlier in the day, but I am still useless until 10:00.
So you know what I did? I stopped trying to fix it. I realized that I might never be one of those people who get to work at 8am and I shifted my schedule. I am much happier now. This was the tone of the original article, and I take offense to this article telling me I am lazy.
Re: You should feel guilty for over-sleeping; or, my generation is full of sissies.
#80"We used to value hard work. It was the cornerstone of our society..." And I welcome this change with open arms. Hard work in itself is not a goal and shouldn't be treated as such.
Exactly. Machines should do all the "hard work" that I do not want to do at any given time, allowing me to spend my life cruising. We don't innovate to continue "working hard", we do so to make life easier in some way.