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Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by endlessvoid94 »

dionidium wrote: post #41

The thing about morning people is you just can't trust them, because a part of them will always believe that night people are lazy; they just can't get over it, no matter how rationally you explain your situation. And you can't trust people like that, because they'll never understand the difference between something they just happen to like or believe and something that is universally Right, Good, and True. To them t…

> they'll never understand the difference between something they just happen to like or believe and something that is universally Right, Good, and True.

I guarantee you a "night" person came up with that.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by johnnyjustice »

Udo wrote: post #16

People's sleep cycles are just different, even if it's not fashionable to acknowledge that. They differ with the person and they differ with the personal situation at the time. This notion that there is The One True Sleep Pattern and that everybody should adhere to it is not tenable in my opinion. It's a strategy that sells books on how to become "normal", nothing else. I'm a night person, I viscerally hate mornings,…

How to we make it fashionable to acknowledge this?

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by bane »

Udo wrote: post #16

People's sleep cycles are just different, even if it's not fashionable to acknowledge that. They differ with the person and they differ with the personal situation at the time. This notion that there is The One True Sleep Pattern and that everybody should adhere to it is not tenable in my opinion. It's a strategy that sells books on how to become "normal", nothing else. I'm a night person, I viscerally hate mornings,…

I agree with all of this.

Right now, my normal work day starts with my waking up 5am and I feel like shit most of the day regardless of how long I've been doing it and how disciplined I am about getting to bed.

My natural cycle has me waking up at around 10am and falling asleep at around 2am.

Guess how many days it takes for me to readjust back to my natural cycle when I have some time off and turn off the alarm clock?

The next day. I'll crash early like normal the night before and sleep through an extra 5 hours to wake up almost on the nose at 10am then fall asleep the next night at around 2am.

This happens when traveling overseas too. Within one or two days I'm back on the 2-10 sleep schedule.

And I feel awesome when I'm on that schedule. Even better, I avoid most traffic on those days.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by robryan »

voidlogic wrote: post #43
zeidrich wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether he misdiagnosed himself is kind of irrelevant. The case is: - He's had a chronic problem with sleep. - He was able to overcome his problem with sleep by realizing it was not so much a personal or moral fault, but a problem that was being approached the wrong way. - He related the story to a friend who felt that her inability to sleep was a character weakness, and upon realizing that maybe it was just that she…

>>Whether he misdiagnosed himself is kind of irrelevant I never claimed the author misdiagnosed himself or was lazy- >>What exactly is "willpower" and why would a lack of it need to be rationalized... To insinuate that someone needs to "rationalize a lack of willpower" implies that willpower is some sort of moral resource... Assuming the people in question do not suffer from a legitimate disorder: Willpower is the ab…

For most people the early start only has to be done because we are stuck in bad working structures. Sure some people need to be in at a certain time to collaborate but for many it is just arbitrary and they aren't achieving any more by being in at 8 instead of 10.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by shubb »

deltaqueue wrote: post #64

It seems as though this comments section is filled with self-proclaimed "night owls." I'm curious, have any of you read the linked articles about variables that influence people to remain awake later than they should and have these types of erratic sleep patterns / modified circadian rhythms (heavy computer use / blue light exposure)? And, have any of you tested your own reaction to curtailing these late-night activi…

The past month I've been up at 6am, rather than ~9am. As an experiment rather than for any good reason.

What you say about light and stimulation sounds convincing, but for me it was about habit. I was in the habit of ignoring my alarm. I was in the habit of getting up when I needed to, and no earlier.

To start off with, I used an alarm app that wouldn't deactivate until my phone touched my credit card, left in the shower. 'Sleep as a Droid', Strong recommend.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by shardling »

rzendacott wrote: post #14
kevingadd wrote: post #4

The annoying thing when it comes to this kind of sleep problem is that it never gets completely better. Over time I've come up with ways to ensure I actually get up early enough for important events and don't sleep through alarms - not even 'i hit the snooze button' problems but just alarms literally not waking me up - whether it's by making alarms louder, setting 6 alarms spaced out 15 minutes apart (yes, really), o…

I seem to have a similar issue. I have to set 10 or so alarms to wake up for class in the morning. I feel very sorry for my poor roommate, but I don't know any other way to wake up. Luckily, I'll have my own room next year. In fact, when I'm on break I tend to gravitate to a very weird sleep schedule where I stay up until about 7am and sleep until 3-5pm. It seems to stem from the fact that when I go to bed at night a…

I had pretty much identical problems to yours. I've been using melatonin that way for about 4 or 5 years now, and haven't noticed any real side effects.

* It does make me very thirsty a little bit after taking it; now I just make sure to drink plenty of water along with it. (I normally take pills without water, so I probably noticed this more than most people.)

* I think subjectively I end up sleeping for longer if I don't actually need to get up. But it doesn't prevent me from waking up if it's something important (like work).

I do mostly follow the suggestion to go a week without it every few months.

The only change in its behavior I've noticed is that it no longer gives me the vivid dreams it did for the first couple months.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by aashay »

MostAwesomeDude wrote: post #45

False. Guilt is not shame, because it is rooted in fact. The fact of the matter is that if I fail to feel guilty for oversleeping, I will eventually be fired. If I am fired, I will no longer be able to support myself. (You can see where this is going, logically.) So yes, I do have to feel guilty for oversleeping.

Would you still get fired if you honored your commitments? What makes you think you'd be fired at all?

Seems to me like your situation isn't applicable to everyone. I, for one, fit the OP's description to a tee, and I'm pretty sure there are a handful of people I work with who assume I'm lazy etc. In practice it doesn't end up mattering because I still ship and honor my commitments, and I haven't been fired.

I only feel guilty for "oversleeping" if I promised to be somewhere in the morning and I break that promise. Otherwise it's not oversleeping, it's just sleeping.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by voidlogic »

robryan wrote: post #75
voidlogic wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Whether he misdiagnosed himself is kind of irrelevant I never claimed the author misdiagnosed himself or was lazy- >>What exactly is "willpower" and why would a lack of it need to be rationalized... To insinuate that someone needs to "rationalize a lack of willpower" implies that willpower is some sort of moral resource... Assuming the people in question do not suffer from a legitimate disorder: Willpower is the ab…

For most people the early start only has to be done because we are stuck in bad working structures. Sure some people need to be in at a certain time to collaborate but for many it is just arbitrary and they aren't achieving any more by being in at 8 instead of 10.

If your employer is cool with starting at 10 rather than 8, and you prefer 10, that sounds great.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by photorized »

bane wrote: post #74
Udo wrote: post #16

People's sleep cycles are just different, even if it's not fashionable to acknowledge that. They differ with the person and they differ with the personal situation at the time. This notion that there is The One True Sleep Pattern and that everybody should adhere to it is not tenable in my opinion. It's a strategy that sells books on how to become "normal", nothing else. I'm a night person, I viscerally hate mornings,…

I agree with all of this. Right now, my normal work day starts with my waking up 5am and I feel like shit most of the day regardless of how long I've been doing it and how disciplined I am about getting to bed. My natural cycle has me waking up at around 10am and falling asleep at around 2am. Guess how many days it takes for me to readjust back to my natural cycle when I have some time off and turn off the alarm cloc…

I can relate.

I have no problem working till 2 or 3am (regardless of travel - I adjust very quickly), but if I have to get up before 8am, I feel miserable all day. I can still function, but then I have zero creativity and people annoy me. It's like the bottom part of bipolar. Let me sleep late, and I kick ass.

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