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You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by stephengillie »

ctdonath wrote: post #7
kevingadd wrote: post #4

The annoying thing when it comes to this kind of sleep problem is that it never gets completely better. Over time I've come up with ways to ensure I actually get up early enough for important events and don't sleep through alarms - not even 'i hit the snooze button' problems but just alarms literally not waking me up - whether it's by making alarms louder, setting 6 alarms spaced out 15 minutes apart (yes, really), o…

find myself waking up in the dead of night at 4am and being completely awake Search for recent threads on sleep referencing "first sleep". Seems the electric light has made us forget most sane humans through most of history would sleep at sunset, then wake a few hours later in a relaxed blissful state, then sleep again. Methinks what you experience (not uncommon) is natural behavior, subverted by not realizing you're…

This sounds like 2-phase sleep caused by sleeping too early.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by voidlogic »

mrchucklepants wrote: post #8
voidlogic wrote: post #2

"Be the first to share this on Hacker News" I'm not sure how this is news worthy- I guess some people feel every entry in their diary of personal accomplishments must grace the pages of Hacker News. I'm glad the author overcame his disorder, but asking people to post it to HN... I also imagine this will be a great way for a lot more people than the 0.15 to 0.17% of the population that actually has Delayed Sleep Phase…

I agree. Too many people think that a "condition" frees them from all personal responsibility.

I agree, I do have sympathy for someone really suffering from a condition, but they must be open about it and make their life work. Maybe that means treatment or just a honest conversation with their employer or both.

What really bothers me is: Sleepy Hacker: "I get shitfaced every night and go to bed at 2 AM. I can't seem to get up at 7:30 AM for work ever! I set like 5 alarms! I must have Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder." rolls eyes

If you think you have Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder, get tested, get treatment, communicate.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by stephengillie »

benologist wrote: post #5
voidlogic wrote: post #2

"Be the first to share this on Hacker News" I'm not sure how this is news worthy- I guess some people feel every entry in their diary of personal accomplishments must grace the pages of Hacker News. I'm glad the author overcame his disorder, but asking people to post it to HN... I also imagine this will be a great way for a lot more people than the 0.15 to 0.17% of the population that actually has Delayed Sleep Phase…

It's not newsworthy it's just the latest piece of random bla bla written for HN to advertise a startup completely unrelated to the subject matter. AKA growth hacking.

Yea -- this is advertising for the 42floors brand. What they're saying doesn't have to have anything to do with their product or brand, merely seeing that they're saying stuff puts their brand back in front of our eyeballs.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by rzendacott »

kevingadd wrote: post #4

The annoying thing when it comes to this kind of sleep problem is that it never gets completely better. Over time I've come up with ways to ensure I actually get up early enough for important events and don't sleep through alarms - not even 'i hit the snooze button' problems but just alarms literally not waking me up - whether it's by making alarms louder, setting 6 alarms spaced out 15 minutes apart (yes, really), o…

I seem to have a similar issue. I have to set 10 or so alarms to wake up for class in the morning. I feel very sorry for my poor roommate, but I don't know any other way to wake up. Luckily, I'll have my own room next year.

In fact, when I'm on break I tend to gravitate to a very weird sleep schedule where I stay up until about 7am and sleep until 3-5pm.

It seems to stem from the fact that when I go to bed at night around 11pm/midnight, I'm never tired. I just seem to be pulled toward staying up late and sleeping throughout the day. This used to keep me from getting much sleep at all, and it was drastically affecting my day to day mood and life. Melatonin has become a life-saver in this respect, but I worry about if it has any side effects or if I depend on it too much. It does allow me to be tired and fall asleep when I want to, which is WAY nicer than the alternative. I used to just lie in bed for hours before falling asleep. I wasn't on my phone or reading or doing anything productive with this time. I was just agonizingly waiting to get some sleep.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by akaru »

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Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by Udo »

People's sleep cycles are just different, even if it's not fashionable to acknowledge that. They differ with the person and they differ with the personal situation at the time. This notion that there is The One True Sleep Pattern and that everybody should adhere to it is not tenable in my opinion. It's a strategy that sells books on how to become "normal", nothing else.

I'm a night person, I viscerally hate mornings, and when I can I "oversleep" until 10 or even 11 in the morning. I go to bed when I'm tired, I usually sleep well and wake up rested in the morning. Sometimes I get tired during the day and when I can I respond to that by napping for a little while. In the absence of outside disruption, this works fine. I feel great and productive. On average I sleep 7-8 hours total, sometimes more, sometimes less. It's still possible to do a standard 7-to-5 workday, but after a while of doing that I simply become less productive and I start hating my day.

I've been told, directly and indirectly through "sleep experts" in the media, that my natural pattern is unhealthy and I must take steps to align myself with the same standardized day that is working so well for everybody else. Waking up feeling like you just got steamrolled, traffic jams, morning grumpiness, and being in the office before the boss arrives. Fuck that.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by CanSpice »

voidlogic wrote: post #2

"Be the first to share this on Hacker News" I'm not sure how this is news worthy- I guess some people feel every entry in their diary of personal accomplishments must grace the pages of Hacker News. I'm glad the author overcame his disorder, but asking people to post it to HN... I also imagine this will be a great way for a lot more people than the 0.15 to 0.17% of the population that actually has Delayed Sleep Phase…

> I also imagine this will be a great way for a lot more people than the 0.15 to 0.17% of the population that actually has Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder to rationalize their lack of willpower.

Yep. Unless you've been professionally diagnosed, just pointing to a Wikipedia page and saying "I have that!" as an excuse for your behaviour is not the right thing to do. The same thing happened with Asperger Syndrome; it became the excuse du jour for dickish behaviour. "Oh, I'm not anti-social, I have Aspergers." No, actually, you're just a dick.

Using "I have this-or-that disorder" as an excuse (unless you have been professionally diagnosed) is just that: an excuse. It also belittles those who actually do have the disorder, which could be an even worse side effect.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by gte910h »

voidlogic wrote: post #9
gte910h wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should you use willpower to control sleep if working a different time slice is neutral or better for your job?

>>if working a different time slice is neutral or better for your job If that is compatible with your job, great! That is the simple and most logical solution, job permitting. I never said otherwise, so I'm pretty sure you are reading words I never said...

I replied to the wrong person. Was aiming at CanSplice

Sorry there!

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by voidlogic »

CanSpice wrote: post #17
voidlogic wrote: post #2

"Be the first to share this on Hacker News" I'm not sure how this is news worthy- I guess some people feel every entry in their diary of personal accomplishments must grace the pages of Hacker News. I'm glad the author overcame his disorder, but asking people to post it to HN... I also imagine this will be a great way for a lot more people than the 0.15 to 0.17% of the population that actually has Delayed Sleep Phase…

> I also imagine this will be a great way for a lot more people than the 0.15 to 0.17% of the population that actually has Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder to rationalize their lack of willpower. Yep. Unless you've been professionally diagnosed, just pointing to a Wikipedia page and saying "I have that!" as an excuse for your behaviour is not the right thing to do. The same thing happened with Asperger Syndrome; it becam…

Well said.

Re: You don’t have to feel guilty for oversleeping

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Post by freehunter »

akaru wrote: post #15

Many of you may use flux to help with this. I also built an app for late night work sessions that adjusts for warmer light while also reducing the monitor's brightness. For OS X. Here's a few promo codes if interested: http://tokn.co/0fgu5wvx http://tokn.co/k6r3ggcw http://tokn.co/qgqrsvy2 http://tokn.co/4zmmdt89 http://tokn.co/3pdx3jtv

Note: they're all redeemed.
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