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Re: Get your Windows license refund

#71
PCWorld in 2009 declined to split the laptop and OS. They offered to refund the whole purchase, but that would obviously leave me without a laptop.

Utterly pointless waste of time. If I see a vendor offering Linux/FreeDOS, I buy that.

If you've had any success in the UK getting a refund, please correct me, but I think time is probably better spent writing to the MP about it as the consumer should have choice when the options are MS or Apple.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#73
post #33

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I switched to Mint and never looked back. It's one of the easiest transitions IMO, and if you really miss Windows, you can bring the aesthetic with you: https://cinnamon-spices.linuxmint.com/themes/view/Chicago95

I’m really curious how many people run this kind of skin unironically. Unironically here means they’d actively seek out to make their desktop OS look… 30 years old? No shade at all, just curios. I def have all kinds of warm feelings towards the moment I first installed W ‘95 but wow I can’t imagine having that UX as my daily OS today.

>I’m really curious how many people run this kind of skin unironically

Most avoid gimmick Windows/MacOS themes, as they know these tend to be unmaintainable over the long-term.

Keep in mind most Linux desktop options tend to be power-user focused, high contrast for outdoor use, and eye candy entertainment options just waste peoples time. =3

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#74
post #27

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would be interested to see comparison: 1. windows + hdd 2. windows + ssd 3. linux + ssd I know that Linux can greatly speed up startup, but more likely that ssd gave bigger impact.

I think we spend a little bit too much time optimising startup time. Anything more than 3 seconds and less than 45 seconds is perceptibly the same, it's the same level of inconvenience unless you're in a rush. .. but I can't honestly tell you the last time I booted my Macbook from cold. Worthwhile suspend/resume is a much better goal for the modern computer user... Windows fucked us all with s2idle, including themsel…

Yep. Reliability > Speed. Whenever people complain systemd boots slow, it's because it's following the dependency graph set by the distro which focusses reliability over speed.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#75
In 2011 I got a 143€ reimbursement from Dell for an E6420 laptop that I had bought for 910€.

Maybe I got lucky but I called the customer service, told the lady I did not agree with the Windows license terms, fully ready to argue my case and she just went "oh, ok, let me just edit a new invoice and wire you the money for Windows plus the Antivirus plus etc.".

Which was extra nice because I had no idea I was in fact charged for the bloatware, but I still got ~50€ for it on top of the OS license price.

This being 15 years ago it feels like a forever unsolved issue. My opinion remains the same, that a personal computer should not be tied to a specific OS. But now with smartphones the hardware/software (de)coupling situation seems even worse.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#76
Seems like it makes a lot more sense to buy a computer without Windows preinstalled.

> Device manufacturers and vendors should not impose an operating system or software on consumers

This is not a reasonable expectation.

Hardware needs software to work, and software runs on an operating system. You can't expect every vendor in the work of every kind of product you can buy to offer you a slightly different version than you would like to buy.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#77
post #30

So after fighting windows for 30yr i also have started searching for linux os to switch to. Might feel weird initially but its a must now. 60% of my time spending on windows is wasted in refreshing/slowstartup/installing bloat and updates/. Clicking next > next etc multiple time just to install one software. Winget is not upto mark like apt and other unix package managers. As soon as i install chocolatey or 3rd party…

I work in the refurb department of an e-waste recycling company. I put Linux Mint on most of the PCs I list for sale, and I've never had anyone complain.

I haven't tried Fedora in like 20 years, but I remember odd things being broken, adding up to a death by a thousand cuts, but I've never had a bad time with Mint (or anything based on Debian).

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#78
post #54

I think some manufacturers offer the ability to buy hardware without software preinstalled and have the software as add-ons you can opt-in. That should be the way.

Which is why Dell doesn't have a process. You can just buy a Dell machine without Windows in the first place

I applaud Dell for offering this as an option, and for getting Ubuntu certification even on many devices which don't offer it. However, in practice it's not worth much because the standard configurations are discounted, while custom configurations with Ubuntu are not. For example, in this configuration Ubuntu is listed as $140 more than Windows. If you click the info icon, it's because it's $60 cheaper but loses you a $200 discount: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-14-lapt...

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#79
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why Dell doesn't have a process. You can just buy a Dell machine without Windows in the first place

You can but the price is the same.

That's true, I called them and their explanation was that the hardware and software bundle is sold as a package deal.

I ended up not buying their computer.

Re: Get your Windows license refund

#80
post #75

In 2011 I got a 143€ reimbursement from Dell for an E6420 laptop that I had bought for 910€. Maybe I got lucky but I called the customer service, told the lady I did not agree with the Windows license terms, fully ready to argue my case and she just went "oh, ok, let me just edit a new invoice and wire you the money for Windows plus the Antivirus plus etc.". Which was extra nice because I had no idea I was in fact ch…

I would rather get full refound for laptop, if I disagree with the license. Windows is unseparatable from hardware after all...

Use laptop for a few months, than finally boot windows install...

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