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Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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bubblethink wrote: post #70
onetimeusename wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress did that for when skilled jobs couldn't be filled. It wasn't primarily meant to just onboard people and fill jobs. I don't think ~85k per year is minuscule. I think that is substantial and the cap has regularly been exceeded and this is annually for decades. That brings us to Americans are too dumb to get these jobs so we still need it: If that's true, which I doubt, I am not sure why this isn't a higher pri…

>the cap has regularly been exceeded and this is annually for decades. The cap is 85k, which is never exceeded, as that is a statutory limit. There are other cap exempt categories for non-profits and universities. >That brings us to It doesn't bring us to any of these conclusions. The vehicle for the change you seek is the legislature. Lobby Congress to change the law. You have a house rep and 2 state senators. Talk…

Those are exactly the two conclusions it brings us to. If a skilled job can't be filled the question becomes why the skill gap exists or if it even exists at all and I have never seen someone suggest every single job given to a H-1B holder provably could not be filled by a citizen. There's almost no bar at all besides putting a notice in the lunch room or something equally frivolous. The LCA is easily gamed.

>the vehicle for change you seek is the legislature

I never argued the fee was legal for reference. And oop must've forgotten that Congress cared about my concerns, thanks for the tip!

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by bubblethink »

onetimeusename wrote: post #71
bubblethink wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the cap has regularly been exceeded and this is annually for decades. The cap is 85k, which is never exceeded, as that is a statutory limit. There are other cap exempt categories for non-profits and universities. >That brings us to It doesn't bring us to any of these conclusions. The vehicle for the change you seek is the legislature. Lobby Congress to change the law. You have a house rep and 2 state senators. Talk…

Those are exactly the two conclusions it brings us to. If a skilled job can't be filled the question becomes why the skill gap exists or if it even exists at all and I have never seen someone suggest every single job given to a H-1B holder provably could not be filled by a citizen. There's almost no bar at all besides putting a notice in the lunch room or something equally frivolous. The LCA is easily gamed. >the veh…

You are building up hypotheses and theories in your head that have no basis in reality. There is no requirement that a job is opened up to H-1B if a citizen cannot do it. That does not exist. You are starting with this flawed assumption and then reaching some absurd conclusions. H-1B exists because it is nice to have and provides positive value. The fact that it may displace other citizens' jobs is fine too and permitted by the statute. Uber doesn't exist because no capable taxi drivers could ride a cab. Your grievance stems from a flawed premise. You wish there were protectionism, but there is no protectionism in the law. So again, talk to Congress. And Congress knows very well how to do protectionism. See Jones Act.

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by onetimeusename »

bubblethink wrote: post #72
onetimeusename wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are exactly the two conclusions it brings us to. If a skilled job can't be filled the question becomes why the skill gap exists or if it even exists at all and I have never seen someone suggest every single job given to a H-1B holder provably could not be filled by a citizen. There's almost no bar at all besides putting a notice in the lunch room or something equally frivolous. The LCA is easily gamed. >the veh…

You are building up hypotheses and theories in your head that have no basis in reality. There is no requirement that a job is opened up to H-1B if a citizen cannot do it. That does not exist. You are starting with this flawed assumption and then reaching some absurd conclusions. H-1B exists because it is nice to have and provides positive value. The fact that it may displace other citizens' jobs is fine too and permi…

You know what? You might be right. The wording doesn't seem to specifically state anything about reasons indeed implying that "H-1B exists because it is nice to have and provides positive value". The lore about requirements doesn't appear. This means the law was never intended to fill shortages and the law isn't really being gamed because there's nothing dishonest about the intentions. This saddens me greatly. Truly the only fix is through Congress.

I don't know if protectionism is the right word.

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by tomhow »

pnw_throwaway wrote: post #39
iAMkenough wrote: post #33

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Why not? Let the Free Market decide. If Americans can’t compete on merit, that’s their own fault. We don’t need reverse DEI. I thought the argument and attacks on DEI policies were about not hiring solely based on merit. Now you’re asking for a safe space where unqualified Americans get jobs over more qualified candidates.

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Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by Daishiman »

lmz wrote: post #57
Daishiman wrote: post #54

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Not if you actually want to get the best talent in the world.

The "best talent in the world" should have no problem with that six figure sum, then.

The best talent in the world nowadays doesn't need to move to the US and works under just a small discount of American salaries, not big enough to justify whatever the US government is asking for and certainly not under the neo-fascist regime occupying the US.

Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas

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Post by Daishiman »

rayiner wrote: post #64
Daishiman wrote: post #55

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Because unskilled work and a gigantic natural resource base was the basis for wealth of the 19th century but that doesn’t hold up anymore?

If "unskilled work and a gigantic natural resource bas was the basis for wealth [in] the 19th century" then China and India would have been the U.S. 200 years ago.

Neither countries had the availability of natural resources and pristine land the the US had.
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