Good. What’s happening now in the corporate world (and other places) is very distasteful. Americans shouldn’t have to compete against the whole world to get a job in the USA
And companies shouldnt lie and say "we just can't find people!"
Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas
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#62Good. What’s happening now in the corporate world (and other places) is very distasteful. Americans shouldn’t have to compete against the whole world to get a job in the USA
I forgot where I heard this, but the thought is that if a country takes the world's best and brightest, it means those other countries that they are coming from lose their best and brightest, making it harder for those other countries to succeed.
Arguably it leaves room for people that DO NOT profit from nepotism and generational wealth when the "best and brightest" leave. A lot of important people don't even filter into "best and brightest", while people acclaimed with this title are sometimes completely useless.
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#63This is a nice trick. Since SCOTUS barred universal injunctions, the government can implement whatever batshit ideology they want until the case makes its way through the judicial system. Often that is a year or two. And even if it is eventually vacated, like the tariffs or the previous iteration of this fee, the damage is already done, as you cannot go back in time.
Irreparable damage for thee, not Mee
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> only works if you have the process for developing unnaturally skillfull talent, which is just not going to happen once the smart people stop moving to the US So how did America become a world power before H1B? The U.S. was the world’s largest industrial power by the early 20th century with almost zero skilled immigration. We had restrictionist immigration policies from 1921-1965 and skilled immigration after that w…
Because unskilled work and a gigantic natural resource base was the basis for wealth of the 19th century but that doesn’t hold up anymore?
If "unskilled work and a gigantic natural resource bas was the basis for wealth [in] the 19th century" then China and India would have been the U.S. 200 years ago.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well arguably H-1B is being abused specifically to lower wages. I think we're aware especially given the contrived ways of circumventing how H-1B is supposed to be used like deliberately advertising jobs in an obscure print newspaper that doesn't even get circulated or modifying the job description to suit an international candidate alone. But for me, a larger concern is elite overproduction ( https://en.wikipedia.or…
This is one of the problems with this issue. People talking about it are pretty clueless and have no idea what they're talking about. They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy about something they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers. >But for me, a larger concern is elite overproduction. Props for finding incredibly niche and out-there theories to support your worldview. This is…
> They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers.
Oh yes, yeesh, my bad, this is for green cards only, there's some hilariously low bar for H-1B yet it still exists. But let's just go back to my point that H-1B is used to lower wages. You can just search for it unless you think it's a conspiracy theory. For all your frothing hostility, I noticed you didn't try to defend lowered wages. What are you defending here? Corporate profits? Some kind of moral issue? Do you have evidence H-1B was vitally necessary?
> incredibly niche and out-there theories
It's a scientific theory.
> support protectionism
I think that misses the point if you mean trade protectionism. I am saying H-1B (also EB-2 and other degree to green card pipelines) presents a danger of destabilizing society. I already think that's obviously the case.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not? Let the Free Market decide. If Americans can’t compete on merit, that’s their own fault. We don’t need reverse DEI. I thought the argument and attacks on DEI policies were about not hiring solely based on merit. Now you’re asking for a safe space where unqualified Americans get jobs over more qualified candidates.
Good immigration policy should serve the existing citizens of a nation.
I thought we didn’t like it when the government picks winners and losers.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is one of the problems with this issue. People talking about it are pretty clueless and have no idea what they're talking about. They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy about something they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers. >But for me, a larger concern is elite overproduction. Props for finding incredibly niche and out-there theories to support your worldview. This is…
> They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers. Oh yes, yeesh, my bad, this is for green cards only, there's some hilariously low bar for H-1B yet it still exists. But let's just go back to my point that H-1B is used to lower wages. You can just search for it unless you think it's a conspiracy theory. For all your frothing hostility, I notice…
>H-1B is used to lower wages.
Everything is used to lower wages. Uber, waymo, doordash, LLMs, etc. all reduce wages. There is no requirement in the statute that it should not lower wages. Congress considered the tradeoff and decided that it was worth having the program. It is a minuscule number, btw. 85k per year, which given the size of the US economy should not even register anywhere in any discussions. In any case, these econ 101 discussions are beyond the scope here.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers. Oh yes, yeesh, my bad, this is for green cards only, there's some hilariously low bar for H-1B yet it still exists. But let's just go back to my point that H-1B is used to lower wages. You can just search for it unless you think it's a conspiracy theory. For all your frothing hostility, I notice…
>H-1B is used to lower wages. Everything is used to lower wages. Uber, waymo, doordash, LLMs, etc. all reduce wages. There is no requirement in the statute that it should not lower wages. Congress considered the tradeoff and decided that it was worth having the program. It is a minuscule number, btw. 85k per year, which given the size of the US economy should not even register anywhere in any discussions. In any case…
85k per year plus their families and all concentrated into specific sectors of the economy
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers. Oh yes, yeesh, my bad, this is for green cards only, there's some hilariously low bar for H-1B yet it still exists. But let's just go back to my point that H-1B is used to lower wages. You can just search for it unless you think it's a conspiracy theory. For all your frothing hostility, I notice…
>H-1B is used to lower wages. Everything is used to lower wages. Uber, waymo, doordash, LLMs, etc. all reduce wages. There is no requirement in the statute that it should not lower wages. Congress considered the tradeoff and decided that it was worth having the program. It is a minuscule number, btw. 85k per year, which given the size of the US economy should not even register anywhere in any discussions. In any case…
Congress did that for when skilled jobs couldn't be filled. It wasn't primarily meant to just onboard people and fill jobs. I don't think ~85k per year is minuscule. I think that is substantial and the cap has regularly been exceeded and this is annually for decades.
That brings us to
Americans are too dumb to get these jobs so we still need it:
Americans are not too dumb but we need H-1B anyway for reasons:
Re: Government Proposes New Six-Figure Fee for H1B Visas
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
>H-1B is used to lower wages. Everything is used to lower wages. Uber, waymo, doordash, LLMs, etc. all reduce wages. There is no requirement in the statute that it should not lower wages. Congress considered the tradeoff and decided that it was worth having the program. It is a minuscule number, btw. 85k per year, which given the size of the US economy should not even register anywhere in any discussions. In any case…
Congress did that for when skilled jobs couldn't be filled. It wasn't primarily meant to just onboard people and fill jobs. I don't think ~85k per year is minuscule. I think that is substantial and the cap has regularly been exceeded and this is annually for decades. That brings us to Americans are too dumb to get these jobs so we still need it: If that's true, which I doubt, I am not sure why this isn't a higher pri…
>the cap has regularly been exceeded and this is annually for decades.
The cap is 85k, which is never exceeded, as that is a statutory limit. There are other cap exempt categories for non-profits and universities.
>That brings us to
It doesn't bring us to any of these conclusions. The vehicle for the change you seek is the legislature. Lobby Congress to change the law. You have a house rep and 2 state senators. Talk to them about your concerns.