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Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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We know now that Google is a sycophantic company whose DEI initiatives were all fake and dropped once Trump got elected. This somewhat naive initiative was bound to fail. The good news is that the AI military products won't work, except perhaps for blowing up a girls' school. Here are CEOs falling over themselves to support Hassabis' regulatory capture proposal: https://xcancel.com/sundarpichai/status/207708695183306…

Saying AI military products wont work is the dumbest thing i've heard in awhile

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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make no mistake, it’s mindsets like yours that put us on the path we currently tread. > I'd go work for the Voldemort companies in a heartbeat […] being honest and vulnerable about being a shitty person does not beget or earn you any kind of mutual respect. we are simply not the same.

> some comment you edited out where you said I'm heartless and spineless. And I know what it's like to live in a place without adequate law enforcement and/or military. Personal insults and calling me mentally ill. Are you projecting? Apparently willingness to work at Palantir or Anduril or other defense contractors makes me irredeemably evil. I'm sure you're real fun at parties. Tbh, I'm glad though. I'm really grea…

> I don't want coworkers with deeply skewed perspectives, inadequate objectivity and who cannot coexist with those of different world-views

and I don’t want coworkers that are okay with killing children in Gaza or conducting mass surveillance and calling it a “different world-view”.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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People tend to agree that immigration enforcement can be necessary (except for that pocket of philosophical bohemians that accept that people should be able to flow as free or freer than capital if we are truly free at all). But interestingly, most people feel immigrants that did not enter through legal means should be able to stay in a lot of circumstances! People almost universally agree that stripping citizenship…

There is something fishy about where someone happened to be born (or looks/sounds like they’re from), where they are, and the relationships between different government blowhards having a bigger impact on their life than just being a decent person trying to get by.

Yeah, but part of that is that national sovereignty is a just-so-happens meme of an idea that sticks around because we all agree that it should and alternative arrangements could be worse.

On the other hand, people dying is a real concept. Their deaths because some people think that other people shouldn't be around and appealing to national sovereignty to enforce that is a leap into the absurd.

At the end of the day, societal institutions exist because we choose by action and by decision to support them. If they aren't supported, the world and the trust network become dramatically reduced in size.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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> Plus, a pledge is only worth the credibility behind it. When someone signs “I will not support the development of lethal autonomous weapons,” then stays while their company sells unrestricted AI to a military that wants exactly that, they teach every counterparty a lesson: these safety people will not act, even at their own brightest line. The next commitment they make is worth less. Eventually it’s worth nothing.

This is why I haven’t taken the internally employed (and visibly public) AI safety people seriously for years: they always back down, because they value that fat paycheck and fiscal rewards and associated status over their proclaimed ethical values, red lines, and boundaries. Their actions betray their every word.

That’s also why I push that we remember these names, the ones who fought back as well as those who lied through their teeth. We should remember everyone willing to harm others to protect themselves, and hold them accountable for their misdeeds. In an ideal world, people like Jeff and Sundar and Stuart would be blackballed so hard they’d never be able to get so much as a help desk job ever again, nevermind any position of leadership. It’s why I proclaim them to be monsters, giddily sacrificing the anonymous other for personal vainglory and the avoidance of standing on any sort of principle.

The OP did everything right and demonstrably proved the entire apparatus is rotten to its very core, to the point of infesting and poisoning the very entities professing to stop its worst excesses (IASEAI). Why we give these ghouls the slightest bit of credibility anymore is beyond me.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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post #73

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There is something fishy about where someone happened to be born (or looks/sounds like they’re from), where they are, and the relationships between different government blowhards having a bigger impact on their life than just being a decent person trying to get by.

Yeah, but part of that is that national sovereignty is a just-so-happens meme of an idea that sticks around because we all agree that it should and alternative arrangements could be worse. On the other hand, people dying is a real concept. Their deaths because some people think that other people shouldn't be around and appealing to national sovereignty to enforce that is a leap into the absurd. At the end of the day,…

What a mess.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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No need to downplay it. There are many for whom it's never enough.

And there are others who left years ago and warned us. Back-patting isn't all or nothing, and I think it's reasonable to praise those who left when they saw the writing on the wall more than those who leave only once they see their company materially supporting state killings.

Fair.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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post #46

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This is false. > Good was in her car, stopped sideways in the street, which led Ross to circle her vehicle on foot. Other agents approached, and one ordered her to get out of the car while reaching through her open window. Good briefly reversed, then began moving forward and to the right, into the direction of traffic. At this point, Ross was standing several feet away at the front-left of the vehicle which was turni…

> Good briefly reversed, then began moving forward No one disputes this. She and the others were deliberately antagonizing agents first. They were not random innocent third parties. She deliberately ignored the lawful orders of armed officers and drove towards them . In almost any other situation involving police, no one would be surprised if this happened.

Real police are trained not to stand in front of or reach into vehicles.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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post #46

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This is false. > Good was in her car, stopped sideways in the street, which led Ross to circle her vehicle on foot. Other agents approached, and one ordered her to get out of the car while reaching through her open window. Good briefly reversed, then began moving forward and to the right, into the direction of traffic. At this point, Ross was standing several feet away at the front-left of the vehicle which was turni…

> Good briefly reversed, then began moving forward No one disputes this. She and the others were deliberately antagonizing agents first. They were not random innocent third parties. She deliberately ignored the lawful orders of armed officers and drove towards them . In almost any other situation involving police, no one would be surprised if this happened.

Reading comprehension is critical to ensure you don't ignore the whole picture, which you are doing.

> began moving forward and to the right, into the direction of traffic

You can watch the videos from neutral sources if you're concerned. There was no one in her way.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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What would you do instead?

Honestly? A few ideas 1. US aid abroad to help stem the conditions that drive many of the migrants to flee their homes. Build up institutions, enforcement, and anti-corruption frameworks so these nations can better build themselves. I'd even be open to hawkish approaches -- frankly it's been surprisingly to see the positive responses to Venezuelan interference by the US. 2. Immigration enforcement needs use-of-force…

I mean, you have an immigration policy or you don’t have one. If you have one, you need to enforce it. The unfortunate truth is that any attempt at law enforcement sometimes leads to deaths, and it doesn’t matter what you’re enforcing. The US should not have responsibility to solve all of the rest of the world’s problems to justify enforcing it’s borders.
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