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California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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vrganj wrote: post #53
roenxi wrote: post #52

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If you let yourself get taken advantage of by corporations the result is substantially higher median incomes [0]. I remain unconvinced that adopting an adversarial stance toward the people who are trying to give you real stuff is the best strategy. Cooperation and forming a consensus with them seems like a better path. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/median-income-after-tax-l...

I think this, too, is a case of cultural differences. This ranking [0] seems much more meaningful to me than the one you linked. [0] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-fo...

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Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by roenxi »

vrganj wrote: post #53
roenxi wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you let yourself get taken advantage of by corporations the result is substantially higher median incomes [0]. I remain unconvinced that adopting an adversarial stance toward the people who are trying to give you real stuff is the best strategy. Cooperation and forming a consensus with them seems like a better path. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/median-income-after-tax-l...

I think this, too, is a case of cultural differences. This ranking [0] seems much more meaningful to me than the one you linked. [0] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-fo...

You're going to have to draw the meaning out a bit more for me, continuing with the assumption that "Americans" means the US then they score 69.8 vs a list top of 73.2. Given that the list sets out to compare the incomparable that seems pretty much equivalent. The US's worst score in its worst scoring category is "Sustainable Trade" which is driven more by their historically dominant military position than anything else and not all that relevant to their corporate governance policies.

And there are a huge number of subjective judgements about what the worth of individual categories is, especially given the political nature of quality. Picking on one of my favourites - the US scores low on "Income Inequality". Income inequality is a weird measure because we'd expect the poorest people in society to have literally nothing (because some people are beyond help). Therefore the wealthier a society is and the more income inequality I'd expect as a baseline. People get worked up about it even though in practice it is a struggle to articulate how it is even a good or bad thing.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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bofadeez wrote: post #66
fhn wrote: post #51

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cheaper for customers??? What world do you live in where sellers care about customers?

a world where profit motive means you have to beat competition in innovation/efficiency and separate money from consumers by providing them value. fraud / intentional deception (broadly) is already illegal.

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Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by tencentshill »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #36
m4ck_ wrote: post #23

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Well despite all that regulation, they're an economic powerhouse, they must be doing something right. CA is far from perfect but at least they occasionally aspire to do something for the benefit of their citizens - not something I can say for my 'least regulated' state that mostly just saps money from the federal government.

N=1 but I make a good amount of money and left California for a zero tax state. I feel like the quality of life is similar between the two. I don't feel like I was getting anything for the 13%+ extra taxes I was paying in California. Nearly every California program has a huge amount of wastage. Take: - High speed rail - 10x the cost of comparable European programs, still haven't built anything. Deadlocked by regulati…

The tax you pay isn't about you, frankly. Health insurance would be a socialist policy if administered by the government.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by solenoid0937 »

tencentshill wrote: post #74
solenoid0937 wrote: post #36

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N=1 but I make a good amount of money and left California for a zero tax state. I feel like the quality of life is similar between the two. I don't feel like I was getting anything for the 13%+ extra taxes I was paying in California. Nearly every California program has a huge amount of wastage. Take: - High speed rail - 10x the cost of comparable European programs, still haven't built anything. Deadlocked by regulati…

The tax you pay isn't about you, frankly. Health insurance would be a socialist policy if administered by the government.

> The tax you pay isn't about you

Already addressed in my other reply.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by vrganj »

roenxi wrote: post #72
vrganj wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this, too, is a case of cultural differences. This ranking [0] seems much more meaningful to me than the one you linked. [0] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-fo...

You're going to have to draw the meaning out a bit more for me, continuing with the assumption that "Americans" means the US then they score 69.8 vs a list top of 73.2. Given that the list sets out to compare the incomparable that seems pretty much equivalent. The US's worst score in its worst scoring category is "Sustainable Trade" which is driven more by their historically dominant military position than anything e…

Everything is subjective - including which metrics we focus on and how we interpret them - since humans are inherently subjective beings.

I'd invite you to sit out at a cafe in Florence, or on a terrace in Amsterdam, watching the boats go by.

I'd then invite you to take a walk through the Tenderloin of SF, global hub of tech capital.

I've done both. I've lived both. I can tell you that as far as my subjectivity is concerned, there is a clear winner, numbers on a bank account be damned.

One more note: A society in which the poorest are seen as a "beyond help" and left with literally nothing is not a society I would feel comfortable living in. It is precisely those folks that need the most help to make society livable.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by shuwix »

m4ck_ wrote: post #23
Cider9986 wrote: post #7

>With 395,608 regulatory restrictions, California is the most heavily regulated state in the nation, according to the report. On average, states have 135,000 regulatory restrictions in administrative rules, with California's regulations more than doubling the national average. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2020-11-03/... I wonder how many they've added in 5 years. Do all these laws improve peoples…

Well despite all that regulation, they're an economic powerhouse, they must be doing something right. CA is far from perfect but at least they occasionally aspire to do something for the benefit of their citizens - not something I can say for my 'least regulated' state that mostly just saps money from the federal government.

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Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by gumby »

Cider9986 wrote: post #63
gumby wrote: post #60

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> left California for a zero tax state. Where, pray tell, is this state with zero taxes? Próspera?

They likely meant zero income tax. Off the top of my head that's New Hampshire, Texas, and Florida.

The taxes are collected one way or another, since places need roads and such. OP might find income taxes to be better than property taxes or sales taxes, depending on where they choose and what they get for their money.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by solenoid0937 »

gumby wrote: post #78
Cider9986 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They likely meant zero income tax. Off the top of my head that's New Hampshire, Texas, and Florida.

The taxes are collected one way or another, since places need roads and such. OP might find income taxes to be better than property taxes or sales taxes, depending on where they choose and what they get for their money.

> The taxes are collected one way or another,

Incorrect. For high earners, tax burden differs dramatically between states, even when you consider all kinds of tax.

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