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California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by vrganj »

bofadeez wrote: post #24
vrganj wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of them? No. Some of them? Yes. Some examples: * ARL / Automatic Renewal Law: If a company allows you to sign up for a subscription online, they also must provide an immediate, straightforward way to cancel it online. * SB 478: No bullshit junk fees tacked on to prices. Any price displayed, be it for concerts, hotels, or whatever else, must be the full, out-the-door price. * SB 244: Right to Repair: Electronics a…

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I'm not an American at all.

And all of these are definitely worse than just making the vendor behave properly...

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by skybrian »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #5

I'm curious why food producers didn't do this on their own, since no one likes "sell by" anyway? Or was there an existing regulation that got changed? In any case I think the new way is better.

They don't want grocery stores to carry product that's too old because customers will try it and decide they don't like it, not realizing that it's old. And a grocery store worker won't know when to get rid of it unless someone tells them.

And from a grocery store's point of view, product that's on the shelf too long isn't selling. It's taking up space that could be used for something else.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by morkalork »

galleywest200 wrote: post #26
bofadeez wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> * Just look at the actual checkout price like everyone else Why should I have to go through the entire process just to see the price? Have you ever been in a store that has the tax added onto the price tag? It is very nice to not have to do mental math.

What, you don't run through the checkout process on each of 100 different Airbnb listings and compile a spreadsheet of results to ascertain the true prices after fees and charges? That's gotta be the best part of vacation planning after buying plane tickets!

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by TulliusCicero »

blululu wrote: post #30

This is a pretty nothing law when you look into it. All it does is standardize "sell by" labels to be more transparent. The extent of the ban is the explicit phrasing "Sell By" which is itself confusing since the manufacturer has some estimated consumption interval that is tacked onto their actual expiration date. Sell By gives the customer has no idea how much padding they are adding to their estimate and when the t…

To be fair, if we waited until there "no more pressing issues", then we'd never get any "quality of life" regulations passed like this.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by Whoppertime »

m4ck_ wrote: post #23
Cider9986 wrote: post #7

>With 395,608 regulatory restrictions, California is the most heavily regulated state in the nation, according to the report. On average, states have 135,000 regulatory restrictions in administrative rules, with California's regulations more than doubling the national average. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2020-11-03/... I wonder how many they've added in 5 years. Do all these laws improve peoples…

Well despite all that regulation, they're an economic powerhouse, they must be doing something right. CA is far from perfect but at least they occasionally aspire to do something for the benefit of their citizens - not something I can say for my 'least regulated' state that mostly just saps money from the federal government.

Despite all their problems, Detroit was an economic powerhouse. Motor city was a world class city, and they bid to host the Olympics eight times between 1944 and 1972. Detroit was far from perfect, but it seems like eventually their bad choices caught up with them. Detroit is no longer the world class city or economic powerhouse it once was.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by solenoid0937 »

m4ck_ wrote: post #23
Cider9986 wrote: post #7

>With 395,608 regulatory restrictions, California is the most heavily regulated state in the nation, according to the report. On average, states have 135,000 regulatory restrictions in administrative rules, with California's regulations more than doubling the national average. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2020-11-03/... I wonder how many they've added in 5 years. Do all these laws improve peoples…

Well despite all that regulation, they're an economic powerhouse, they must be doing something right. CA is far from perfect but at least they occasionally aspire to do something for the benefit of their citizens - not something I can say for my 'least regulated' state that mostly just saps money from the federal government.

N=1 but I make a good amount of money and left California for a zero tax state.

I feel like the quality of life is similar between the two. I don't feel like I was getting anything for the 13%+ extra taxes I was paying in California.

Nearly every California program has a huge amount of wastage. Take:

- High speed rail - 10x the cost of comparable European programs, still haven't built anything. Deadlocked by regulation, lawsuits, and poor planning.

- Or all the fraud in the hospice program, unchecked for years until some YouTuber just... went up to one and made a video.

- Or spending over $1M/homeless on housing the homeless and not being able to do so.

California is a lot of talk (regulations, state programs, taxes) coupled with extremely poor execution.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by fhdkweig »

lostmsu wrote: post #25
m4ck_ wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well despite all that regulation, they're an economic powerhouse, they must be doing something right. CA is far from perfect but at least they occasionally aspire to do something for the benefit of their citizens - not something I can say for my 'least regulated' state that mostly just saps money from the federal government.

> they're an economic powerhouse Could be inertia.

I know nothing about nothing, but I always assumed that all the money was from Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Outside of those two highly localized industries, is there really much more money than other states have?

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by matwood »

Cider9986 wrote: post #7

>With 395,608 regulatory restrictions, California is the most heavily regulated state in the nation, according to the report. On average, states have 135,000 regulatory restrictions in administrative rules, with California's regulations more than doubling the national average. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2020-11-03/... I wonder how many they've added in 5 years. Do all these laws improve peoples…

Because of the power CA has, many of the regulations they pass around health and safety end up benefiting other states because it's cheaper to simply implement it nationwide.

Re: California bans 'sell by' labels, hoping to cut food waste

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Post by matwood »

fhdkweig wrote: post #37
lostmsu wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they're an economic powerhouse Could be inertia.

I know nothing about nothing, but I always assumed that all the money was from Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Outside of those two highly localized industries, is there really much more money than other states have?

It has it's own wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California
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