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The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by Terretta »

basisword wrote: post #39
Aurornis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their investment in the company and their ability to use the services are orthogonal. I'm sure they're not happy about losing access to the model, but the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it.

>> the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it Not if the USG locks models down to US citizens. The market will be too small and the model companies have already pumped in far too much money to limit their market to US citizens. Given that most big companies have a global presence they're going to need models that all of their employees can use. They're not going to d…

> The market will be too small

Don't count heads. Use tech spend per capita and wallet share.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by MikeNotThePope »

jdw64 wrote: post #67

Looking at the comments on Korean political articles, the point is not so much whether SKT is actually related to China, but rather that the switch to cut off AI vendors is now outside the realm of model performance specs. Now, when foreign companies integrate AI into their workflows, they probably need to add a category for vendor continuity in their evaluation criteria. From a corporate standpoint, uninterrupted co…

Open source models are not immune to a different form of restriction either. I recently learned that China is restricting travel for AI engineers living in China.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-restricts-o...

It's going to be interesting to see how the AI arms races unfolds over time.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by saghm »

tristanj wrote: post #30
wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

To be fair, most of those companies had those phases with administrations that were a lot less petty than the current one.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by skeledrew »

FergusArgyll wrote: post #44
tristanj wrote: post #3

This whole Fable 5 controversy will look quite silly once China releases a comparable model in six months.

Google can't do it, OpenAI didn't do it, Meta didn't do it etc etc. Why do you think China will? I am quite certain the gap will only grow

DeepSeek took everyone by surprise with R1. I'm pretty sure they and/or others will do the unexpected again. Not as if the US has a monopoly on awesome talent.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by Terretta »

AgentME wrote: post #36
easygenes wrote: post #5

The Wired headline reframes the issue in a way that’s misleading. SK Telecom was a previously resolved issue (as in prior to Fable launch). It may have been a contributing factor, but the crux of the shutdown was the industry reporting of Fable jailbreaks (reportedly spearheaded by Amazon CEO Andy Jassy). The more interesting and honest angle is that the industry which has taken the seriousness of Glasswing at face v…

Is there any interpretation where Amazon is involved but for a reason besides trying to screw over Anthropic? I don't see why Amazon would act against Anthropic when they have a deal to offer Anthropic models on AWS.

https://aws.amazon.com/govcloud-us/

https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/fedramp/

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by fragmede »

basisword wrote: post #39
Aurornis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their investment in the company and their ability to use the services are orthogonal. I'm sure they're not happy about losing access to the model, but the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it.

>> the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it Not if the USG locks models down to US citizens. The market will be too small and the model companies have already pumped in far too much money to limit their market to US citizens. Given that most big companies have a global presence they're going to need models that all of their employees can use. They're not going to d…

Route the user to a different server based on the citizenship info set on their account? Yeah that'sway to hard for computers and computer programmers to do. There must be more than 100 countries out there! Computers can't possibly count that high.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by paulsutter »

wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Dario (of Mythos): "Companies we gave it to said – this is a super weapon. you should have to own a gun license to use it. please don't release this"

Mythos is clearly dual use (and automatically subject to export controls), even if Anthropic didn’t understand what that means.

Yes this administration can be capricious and hyperpartisan. This isn’t one of those cases.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by tiahura »

trunnell wrote: post #19
easygenes wrote: post #5

The Wired headline reframes the issue in a way that’s misleading. SK Telecom was a previously resolved issue (as in prior to Fable launch). It may have been a contributing factor, but the crux of the shutdown was the industry reporting of Fable jailbreaks (reportedly spearheaded by Amazon CEO Andy Jassy). The more interesting and honest angle is that the industry which has taken the seriousness of Glasswing at face v…

> honest angle is that the industry [felt] exposed by the residual risk [and] have a months-long bugfixing backlog exposed by Glasswing Two problems with this theory. 1. Amazon complaining to the White House wouldn't have been the opening salvo. Amazon and Anthropic would find it much easier to talk to each other than go through the White House. We'd need evidence that Amazon (and probably others) already asked Anthr…

It’s been reported that Amazon has said in the last few days that the gov reached out to Amazon first for their opinion.
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