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The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by jeremyjh »

wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

They are searching for a headline that will attract clicks. Everyone knows nothing this administration does is genuine, but pretending there is a controversy related to whether or not it could be has been a money pump for the last decade.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by claytonjy »

trunnell wrote: post #12
kittikitti wrote: post #11

Many of us know coders and cybersecurity professionals who are even better than Claude Fable or Mythos. It's outstanding how much praise and careful consideration it gets. At the same time, humans with even more expertise are discarded and fired.

Sure they exist but they're rare, difficult to identify and hire, and take years to train. Mythos/Fable is available on tap.

I can also use the models anytime, and for a lot of time, until i’m anywhere close to salary for an engineer like that

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by jibe »

meowface wrote: post #10
cyanydeez wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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If you check my post history, I'm very left-leaning. I'm just establishment-left+woke (i.e., liberal) rather than populist-left+socialist, and Wired is populist-left. I'm the kind of person who actually likes Obama, for example. It's actually unfortunate, because a not very credible publication writing about the vile behavior of the Trump administration (including Elon Musk personally literally killing hundreds of th…

“Elon Musk personally literally killing hundreds of thousands of children”

What’s that high quality news source you got that one from?

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by shimman »

Aurornis wrote: post #25
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #14

> SK Telecom has poured capital into Anthropic several times, including a $100 million investment in 2023 that coincided with the formation of a commercial partnership to develop an AI model tailored to the telecommunications industry. > the White House asked Anthropic to revoke SK Telecom’s access to Mythos, according to a person close to the AI lab. The company immediately complied, Lesson learned - don't invest in…

Their investment in the company and their ability to use the services are orthogonal. I'm sure they're not happy about losing access to the model, but the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it.

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Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by notnullorvoid »

Aurornis wrote: post #25
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #14

> SK Telecom has poured capital into Anthropic several times, including a $100 million investment in 2023 that coincided with the formation of a commercial partnership to develop an AI model tailored to the telecommunications industry. > the White House asked Anthropic to revoke SK Telecom’s access to Mythos, according to a person close to the AI lab. The company immediately complied, Lesson learned - don't invest in…

Their investment in the company and their ability to use the services are orthogonal. I'm sure they're not happy about losing access to the model, but the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it.

The company having it's product market restricted will negatively impact their financial investment.

Also if you have an agreement with a company for them to provide you with a service, and investing in them is part of that deal, reneging on the service part still isn't okay.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by AgentME »

easygenes wrote: post #5

The Wired headline reframes the issue in a way that’s misleading. SK Telecom was a previously resolved issue (as in prior to Fable launch). It may have been a contributing factor, but the crux of the shutdown was the industry reporting of Fable jailbreaks (reportedly spearheaded by Amazon CEO Andy Jassy). The more interesting and honest angle is that the industry which has taken the seriousness of Glasswing at face v…

Is there any interpretation where Amazon is involved but for a reason besides trying to screw over Anthropic? I don't see why Amazon would act against Anthropic when they have a deal to offer Anthropic models on AWS.

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Post by jcgrillo »

wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

It smells an awful lot like the government is trying to pick a winner. Or, at least, a loser.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by mentalgear »

tristanj wrote: post #30
wood_spirit wrote: post #23

The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models. However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight…

Anthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.

Indeed, the diff: These previous big tech companies where fighting their neo-liberal agenda against a liberal government, now there's an autocratic fascist one fighting a liberal company.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by basisword »

Aurornis wrote: post #25
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #14

> SK Telecom has poured capital into Anthropic several times, including a $100 million investment in 2023 that coincided with the formation of a commercial partnership to develop an AI model tailored to the telecommunications industry. > the White House asked Anthropic to revoke SK Telecom’s access to Mythos, according to a person close to the AI lab. The company immediately complied, Lesson learned - don't invest in…

Their investment in the company and their ability to use the services are orthogonal. I'm sure they're not happy about losing access to the model, but the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it.

>> the amount of money they're going to make from their investment will more than make up for it

Not if the USG locks models down to US citizens. The market will be too small and the model companies have already pumped in far too much money to limit their market to US citizens. Given that most big companies have a global presence they're going to need models that all of their employees can use. They're not going to deploy different products to different employees.

Re: The Korean telecom giant at the center of Anthropic's Mythos controversy

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Post by sigmar »

tristanj wrote: post #26
sigmar wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable/mythos are the first models from anthropic that hide 100% of reasoning tokens. So it seems to me like we're about to get a lot more data about to what extent Chinese model progress has been a consequence of distillation techniques.

This isn't correct, Claude hasn't displayed the raw chain of thought for any of the Claude 4 series models, which were released in May 2025. Sonnet 4.6/Opus 4.8 only display a summarized chain of thought, which is produced by a secondary model. Fable displays its summarized chain of thought in the same manner. The thinking traces disappeared because Anthropic changed them to be hidden by default. The rationale for hi…

Qualified it with "100%" because claude4 models show the first few lines of the chain of thought:

>On Claude 4 models, the first few lines of thinking output are more verbose, providing detailed reasoning that's particularly helpful for prompt engineering purposes. Claude Mythos Preview summarizes from the first token, so its thinking blocks do not show this verbose preamble. https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/extend...

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