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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Someone1234 »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #6
1970-01-01 wrote: post #4

Peak Outlook was 2016, right before the 365 mess.

I heard excel guys say peak Excel was 2010. Where there any genuinely useful features Outlook 2016 had over 2010?

I wouldn't trust an "Excel guy" who said that, they aren't staying current/using new functionality.

Just off the top of my head:

IFNA, FORMULATEXT, DAYS, CONCAT, IFS, SWITCH, XLOOKUP/XMATCH, FILTER, UNIQUE, LET, TEXTBEFORE/TEXTAFTER, LAMBDA, et al.

But my favorite improvement is the "don't intentionally corrupt CSVs" options found in Settings -> Data -> Automatic Data Conversion (hint: Disable everything). Only took them 30-years to add that. Absolutely absurd these are enabled by default still.

Excel is one of Microsoft's best pieces of software and one of the very few they haven't turned into slop YET. Still don't understand why we don't have local-only Python to replace VBA at all license levels (i.e. non-cloud).

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by lelandfe »

chris_wot wrote: post #57
netsharc wrote: post #5

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

That's nothing. He have Surface Pro laptops, and of course it has Copilot built in. I tried to open an app by typing in a search. On versions without Copilot turned on, instantly finds the app. On a Surface Pro, takes a good 20-30 seconds for it even start the search. Complete rubbish. Not a single person in the organisation likes the new Outlook.

The amount of applications on the average consumer's laptop is such a tiny space to search over that there really is no excuse for this being anything other than instant.

iOS and macOS suffer this too, it's like I open search and the operating system awakes from a hangover and makes sure it's wearing pants first

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by HumblyTossed »

patates wrote: post #8

> Outlook is based on WebView2, and like all web apps, it’s slow Fastmail also has a web based email client, which is as fast as (if not faster than) Outlook Classic. The new Outlook is just bad. Load order is wrong, it renders everything on every window, loads unnecessary data, etc. Plain annoying.

Yeah, somehow we've lost lessons learned. Used to be, you knew it would take forever to display all of something, so you displayed what you could as you had time to render it. For instance a long report. As you render each page you would make that available to display instead of waiting for the entire 200 page report to render first. "Feeling" fast was often as good as "being" fast.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

botanrice wrote: post #60

Literally was just googling yesterday about why Windows File Explorer genuinely takes longer to boot up than microsoft edge. Insane how fast they are enshittifying.

I think that's caused by OneDrive. Which was the "shove down your throat" flavour of a couple of generations ago.

F OneDrive.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by sznio »

zkmon wrote: post #44

Just a classic example of bloating degradation that happens to any software which has saturated all basic needs decades ago. The issue is, as the product continues to generate revenue, the product team continues to get funding and they are forced to add bloat as new features. Same with security and compliance standards at companies. You keep pouring more money, and you keep getting more fort walls and dungeons, witho…

and now you can use AI to create even more unnecessary features even quicker.

i think that having teams for each product is an antipattern. if the team was purely a "mail task force", the workers could be placed to work on Exchange or the Azure related bullshit. But now, the Outlook team has to constantly create unnecessary work for itself.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by bonoboTP »

Why are you not on thunderbird yet? Why do you get Windows notifications? Are you using Windows? I don't understand how there are people who can notice such things but still use windows in 2026. Also, please don't write with AI. This post was written with AI.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by soco »

archildress wrote: post #30
patates wrote: post #8

> Outlook is based on WebView2, and like all web apps, it’s slow Fastmail also has a web based email client, which is as fast as (if not faster than) Outlook Classic. The new Outlook is just bad. Load order is wrong, it renders everything on every window, loads unnecessary data, etc. Plain annoying.

Sure seems like all this fancy Copilot coding help they have would've helped develop a better email client.

The "new" Outlook is older than Copilot, so we can't blame the AI here. Don't take this as defense of the new Outlook - I hate it with the same passion.
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