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Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by usrnm »

graemep wrote: post #65
EdiX wrote: post #55

We've known this since the Snowden leaks 13 years ago. In a couple of years there will probably be a president in the US that will be more palatable for the european political class and we'll all be able to go back to pretending this doesn't happen. After all the EU is too compromised energetically, militarily, industrially, burocratically and democratically to ever achieve independence. Talking about digital soverei…

Downvotes for stating a reasonable, and probably correct argument. Europe's biggest problem (I do not mean just the EU, I mean everyone from the UK to Russia) is that it is in denial about its decline, weakness and irrelevance to the rest of the world. The UK is a bit of an exception in being aware of it and actually talking about it. That is about it.

Well, Russia is trying to do something about it and I think we can all agree that there are wrong ways to go about it. Simply being incompetent, like the EU, is not the worst possible scenario.

Btw, say what you will about Russia, but it's light years ahead of the EU in digital sovereignty. One of the reasons it did not crumble under sanctions.

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Post by hnben »

mrtksn wrote: post #70
reacharavindh wrote: post #13

The fact that government agencies, particularly those that deal with international concerns like these are using non sovereign tech for communications is mind-blowing. They might as well use public gmail.. atleast it would be cheaper. If you want it not exposed directly, host it yourself and take measures to secure it for intended eyes only. This should be common sense.

I don't think Americans understand what US used to mean for the rest of the world. America was supposed to be the next step of humanity, a new land stripped from the ills of the old world where you invest or you go to build things, where your past or identity wasn't the primary concern but your dreams your abilities were. It wasn't nationalistic place, it was open to all and pretty much it was the group work of human…

> America was supposed to be the next step of humanity, a new land stripped from the ills of the old wor

wat

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by vlabakje90 »

rgblambda wrote: post #32
la_oveja wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the danish were one of the strongest Chat Control promovers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_Control

Dutch and Danish are two different nationalities. To be fair they both begin with a D and end with a H so I understand the confusion.

And neither are in the Western hemisphere.

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by icantevenhold »

mrtksn wrote: post #70
reacharavindh wrote: post #13

The fact that government agencies, particularly those that deal with international concerns like these are using non sovereign tech for communications is mind-blowing. They might as well use public gmail.. atleast it would be cheaper. If you want it not exposed directly, host it yourself and take measures to secure it for intended eyes only. This should be common sense.

I don't think Americans understand what US used to mean for the rest of the world. America was supposed to be the next step of humanity, a new land stripped from the ills of the old world where you invest or you go to build things, where your past or identity wasn't the primary concern but your dreams your abilities were. It wasn't nationalistic place, it was open to all and pretty much it was the group work of human…

This kind of sums up my sentiment.

All throughout my adult life the US (for all its apparent faults) was to me a shining example of progress and humanity. It was the best large scale implementation of human rights, laws, and democracy. Sure it was far from perfect but “as good as it gets, for now”

Became very disillusioned with that image of the US in the last couple of years. Maybe it’s always been like that - but the recent cronyism, the blatant openly displayed corruption and complete disregard for all the values it used to champion really destroyed the good image I had of the US.

In years to come they will realise what this loss of image (or “aura” as the kids would say) really means in a very practical and blunt sense.

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Post by flexagoon »

dre440 wrote: post #4

The irony that it is data from civil servants that wan to implement the biggest central digital censorship endeavor in the western hemisphere.

Netherlands has always been pretty firmly against Chat Control (except for one political party, EPP)

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by pedro_caetano »

andy_ppp wrote: post #27

Is anyone building (open source?) G-Suite - I’m honestly tired of paying Google money and I think everyone needs independence.

Not exactly free as in free beer but Collabora, and their 'Collabora Online' suite fits your description. It's effectively online hosted libre office with a few extras.

Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

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Post by jdw64 »

vrganj wrote: post #62
jdw64 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am speaking based on the response criteria of Korea's largest research institution.[1] https://kbthink.com/news-list/view.html?newsId=2026011611543...

Nah, you misunderstood. He was saying that the label bad for anti-americanism was subjective. Given their behaviour, some might see anti-americanism as justified or even good.

I didn't know that. Thank you for your kind explanation.

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Post by brador »

andy_ppp wrote: post #27

Is anyone building (open source?) G-Suite - I’m honestly tired of paying Google money and I think everyone needs independence.

No one made the easy pickings of Facebook clone, Reddit clone or Twitter clone for insane profits. You really think someone will make a gsuite?

The person making project X days are over. The energy and drive is extinguished from humanity. Ambition is all that’s left.

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Post by j_maffe »

icantevenhold wrote: post #74
mrtksn wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Americans understand what US used to mean for the rest of the world. America was supposed to be the next step of humanity, a new land stripped from the ills of the old world where you invest or you go to build things, where your past or identity wasn't the primary concern but your dreams your abilities were. It wasn't nationalistic place, it was open to all and pretty much it was the group work of human…

This kind of sums up my sentiment. All throughout my adult life the US (for all its apparent faults) was to me a shining example of progress and humanity. It was the best large scale implementation of human rights, laws, and democracy. Sure it was far from perfect but “as good as it gets, for now” Became very disillusioned with that image of the US in the last couple of years. Maybe it’s always been like that - but t…

> was to me a shining example of progress and humanity.

Which country was the US bombing to the ground at this period you're reminiscing on?

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Post by mrtksn »

icantevenhold wrote: post #74
mrtksn wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Americans understand what US used to mean for the rest of the world. America was supposed to be the next step of humanity, a new land stripped from the ills of the old world where you invest or you go to build things, where your past or identity wasn't the primary concern but your dreams your abilities were. It wasn't nationalistic place, it was open to all and pretty much it was the group work of human…

This kind of sums up my sentiment. All throughout my adult life the US (for all its apparent faults) was to me a shining example of progress and humanity. It was the best large scale implementation of human rights, laws, and democracy. Sure it was far from perfect but “as good as it gets, for now” Became very disillusioned with that image of the US in the last couple of years. Maybe it’s always been like that - but t…

Yes, US was also the guide star when it comes to dilemmas. When not sure, check out what Americans do and they will probably have it figured it out without the bias that we may have due to historical reasons.

I firmly believe that the dominant feeling towards US today isn't anger or hate, its heartbreak and disappointment.

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