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Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

alexandre_m wrote: post #38
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #34

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You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? And when Harper was in power they were trying to push something similar? And that the petition linked here is an NDP petition? Partisan grandstanding won't fix the issue. A mobilized public will.

> You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? That is not true at all. https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surve...

Fair enough, this was not the case when I looked last week. They were "concerned" but had not posted anything in opposition.

And when I looked this morning all I found was they'd asked it to be split into two bills. Implying they want to support some but not all. Which is worrisome.

EDIT: wait, the thing linked here by you only says they want to amend it. That's a far cry from killing the bill. So, no, they're not opposed. The want to split and amend it.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

hylaride wrote: post #27
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #22

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It was clearly communicated by their leaders that they weren't leaving the streets until the government resigned (or "all pandemic measures dropped", which the fed gov't had no power to do as the majority were either provincial mandates or were forced on us by the US gov't) Also the exact same set of people (and I mean, literally, look up the names of the leaders) tried almost exactly the same thing a few years earli…

That's not a coup. That's an illegal protest. They were all a bunch of self-centred idiots, but let's not give them credit for something that it wasn't.

Illegal protest that involves the dissolution of an elected government, and the leader of the opposition hob-knobbing with them?

Maybe not technically a coup if there's an election held right after, fair. Let's just agree to call it "tried to overthrow the government."

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

rangestransform wrote: post #62
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #21

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> Canadian tech is nonexistent because every Canadian pension fund, family office, and bank prefers to invest in American equities over Canadian equities. Off-topic but I suspect it's also that oil and gas and real estate are the "easy" money in Canada and that's where investment goes. Canadian investors are risk adverse because they can be. That and there's a colonial-descended cultural bias towards credentials and…

I have a (admittedly unevidenced) hypothesis that the US took off from other economies after ‘08 because real estate became a spectacularly shit investment overnight and investors had to invest in productive things for returns. Investors in Canada kept passing the same pieces of land between each other for no benefit to society. My pipe dream is that Canada grows the balls to annhilate property values

Even if real estate were to implode, Canada has a pretty much permanent sickness on account of being a "rip n' ship" resource exporter over everything else. Since confederation.

It lends itself to a rentier capitalist model, and to oligarchies, and to a stagnant conservative investment class that just wants to coast off their proximity to resources.

Real estate coasting is arguably even worse, but not by much.

Notably the United States is actually trying to make this worse with their tariffs on us. Alberta oil and gas is tariff free while our value added manufacturing sectors are highly tariffed.

It makes no sense to try to kill Quebec's aluminum sector since it's the most logical place to smelt aluminum on the whole continent, but they're trying to, anyways.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by tw85 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #14
hodder wrote: post #12

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You cannot be serious. The Freedom convoy may have been misinformed but the government response was an absolute disaster and the courts have agreed.

"Misinformed" is a strange word for what was clearly an attempt at a coup, with massive amounts of foreign money involved? The RCMP and other agencies and the province were not doing their job. I was not a fan of Trudeau, but I don't really know what they could have done to resolve the situation. (And that is in fact one of the reasons I'm suspicious and critical of this bill. I don't think giving law enforcement age…

You're just piling lie on lie at this point.

A coup attempt with no weapons and no violence. How does that work exactly? The foreign money angle has been debunked by none other than the RCMP and CSIS. Nice CBC talking point though.

The freedom convoy has absolutely correct that the jab mandates and lockdowns were far beyond their sell by date, as the issue had been heavily politicized for the sake of Trudeau trying to secure a majority.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

stackghost wrote: post #47
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #45

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3 from Ontario and 4 from Quebec. As a western Canada resident it has been real old that we have been steamrolled by the east for the past decade.

It's the tyranny of the majority. Ontario and Quebec together are like 65% of Canadians. I'm in BC and have made my peace with that. I would imagine people in PEI feel a similar way. Probably people living in Hope or Quesnel also feel similar about being steamrolled by Metro Vancouver and Victoria.

I get that Quebec and Ontario have 65% of the population, but why do they have 100% of the seats on a committee that shoves surveillance and gun bans down everyone else’s throats?

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #65
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? And when Harper was in power they were trying to push something similar? And that the petition linked here is an NDP petition? Partisan grandstanding won't fix the issue. A mobilized public will.

Both the conservatives and the NDP have been fighting against Bill C-22.

Conservatives want it amended. NDP wants it killed.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by logicchains »

llm_nerd wrote: post #60
slopinthebag wrote: post #37

The country has just slipped into a recession (only one in g20 btw), food bank usage is at record highs, it's young adults are ranked 71st in the world in happiness (boomers in the top 10 tho), housing is out of reach for many, youth unemployment is at ~15%, outside investments are non-existent, government debt is at record levels, haven't won the Stanley cup in decades, in a trade war with the USA, nobody is startin…

Foreign investments just hit an 18 year high. Employment numbers just went positive (at about 5x the per capita rate of the US). The country is recovering nicely from being addicted to mass immigration/housing. Export markets are rapidly diversifying, and Canada has made a number of new strategic partnerships. Two straight months of growing trade surpluses. All while our largest trading partner explicitly and openly…

It's partisan to deny your country is falling to shit just because you voted for the parties that made it fall to shit.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

tw85 wrote: post #74
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Misinformed" is a strange word for what was clearly an attempt at a coup, with massive amounts of foreign money involved? The RCMP and other agencies and the province were not doing their job. I was not a fan of Trudeau, but I don't really know what they could have done to resolve the situation. (And that is in fact one of the reasons I'm suspicious and critical of this bill. I don't think giving law enforcement age…

You're just piling lie on lie at this point. A coup attempt with no weapons and no violence. How does that work exactly? The foreign money angle has been debunked by none other than the RCMP and CSIS. Nice CBC talking point though. The freedom convoy has absolutely correct that the jab mandates and lockdowns were far beyond their sell by date, as the issue had been heavily politicized for the sake of Trudeau trying t…

There were both weapons and violence. They had stashes weapons at two US border crossings -- which they were blocking -- and got away with it. There were violence and vandalism on the streets of Ottawa.

Tell me what would happen if people with arms were blocking the border crossing on the US side? They wouldn't be screaming about being oppressed, because DHS would have just shot them or sent them to Guantanamo.

Look, I'm not going to argue with you about it and re-prosecute this. You're over in some echo chamber blathering about the CBC and "jabs", which to me is just bonkers.

They made life hell for the people of Ottawa for weeks, and the shit they were protesting about was barely even the business of the federal government. They should have knocked on Doug Ford's door, not walked around blaring horns for weeks and the only outcome they really wanted was to get the government to step down. The leadership were professional far right agitators that had led protests on entirely different issues before ("yellow vests" lol) and found a hook for suckers to join them again.

BTW aren't I supposed to have dropped dead from a blood clot at this point? Or been infertile or something? Keep waiting for that to happen.

Whatever, I hated Trudeau ... until all you guys started letting him live rent free in your heads while you smoked the weed he legalized for you. Now I'm glad he's getting some with Katy Perry, it's kinda cute.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by alephnerd »

Computer0 wrote: post #70
giantg2 wrote: post #43

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I didn't realize the VC market was that strong there. A lot of the stuff I read on here had previously pointed to it being a tough startup market.

Tough as in a lot of competition. A lot of market segments dominated by Chinese manufactures have a relentless stream of Indian Startups nipping at their heels, is what I understand.

Chinese players don't compete with Indian companies as both China and India have blocked access to either's market. For example, Chinese digital exports remained banned in India and even Chinese players in India like SAIC and Xiaomi have been de facto Indianized via forced ownership changes, similar to what China used to do when it was in India's shoes in the 2000s when competing against the US.

When people on HN talk about the difficulty in the Indian startup scene, it about whether to raise in India or raise in the US and then operate in India.

Re: Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

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Post by bruce511 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #21
alephnerd wrote: post #13

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> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian…

> Canadian tech is nonexistent because every Canadian pension fund, family office, and bank prefers to invest in American equities over Canadian equities. Off-topic but I suspect it's also that oil and gas and real estate are the "easy" money in Canada and that's where investment goes. Canadian investors are risk adverse because they can be. That and there's a colonial-descended cultural bias towards credentials and…

>> But yeah, I'm furiously writing code for a product living off my savings,

Probably not relevant to thus thread, and hopefully redundant to you, but writing the code is the easy part.

If you have not already done so figure out your market and start marketing to them. Get deposits, build a mailing list of interested parties, build a presence where your customers hang out.

Marketing is the hard part. Get that done first before writing code. Most ideas fail not because of bad product but because there's no market, it's too hard to reach the market, or you're solving a problem no one will spend money on.

Before depleting all your savings, learn from all the threads in the "ask" section. Code counts for nothing without hod marketing. And marketing is the hard part, the code part is easy.

As an aside, the startup which has a market and marketing sorted out is a lot more attractive to investors.

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