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The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #28

People are complaining about a clickbaity title but it's a fascinating article I am not sure most would read otherwise What's interesting to me is how out of date US GPS system is compared to China's BeiDou and while most US GPS receivers will use Russia's GLONOSS, China's BeiDou is blocked https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47849174

> What's interesting to me is how out of date US GPS system is compared to China's BeiDou

It’s significantly older though. What would you expect?

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #7

"Numbers station" is a weird analogy, because the idea of a numbers station was to broadcast messages to undercover operatives in a way that can be received using unmodified (and therefore non-suspicious) household radio receivers. Here, it appears to be a rekeying system for specialized military gear.

You're assuming it requires specialized military gear, as opposed to consumer gear with a flashed firmware. I believe GPS L1 C/A subframe 4 is on the ordinary L1 C/A civil signal, which means commercial receivers can receive it. They just can't (ordinarily) decrypt it. But a few KB of extra code would change that. A pretty broad set of Android phones can receive this data, without even needing to reflash the GPS firmware: you can decrypt on the application processor, since this field is readable.

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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This is an interesting article. It has a very strong AI accent. I really wish I could tell how real it is. When some part of it I can tell is AI slop, how much of it is AI slop? Inside GNSS has always been a marketing rag with sometimes some interesting articles. The author is a security researcher, so maybe poking at GPS bits makes sense, but talking about floating point bit depth? There's too much slop for me to fi…

Paradoxically, in the blog post he speaks with his own voice, describing the evidence better amassed in ... the AI written article.

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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I know it isn't really a number station but I wanted it to be true...

Someone broadcasting one time pad messages using GPS over years...

a spy operative using jogging app changing routes slightly

or maybe a cartel member embedded inside highly hostile countries like Singapore

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #76

An interesting lesser known role of GPS is that it is part of the US nuclear monitoring network and it's L3 signal is part of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjLnIb41DuQ I Found The US Nuclear Detection System In Space (saveitforparts)

So similar to the constellation discussed in the GNSS jamming article here? > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48409664

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #28

People are complaining about a clickbaity title but it's a fascinating article I am not sure most would read otherwise What's interesting to me is how out of date US GPS system is compared to China's BeiDou and while most US GPS receivers will use Russia's GLONOSS, China's BeiDou is blocked https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47849174

> What's interesting to me is how out of date US GPS system is compared to China's BeiDou It’s significantly older though. What would you expect?

Two things amaze me about GPS. First, that there are still four Block IIR and seven Block IIR-M satellites operational; these had 7.5 year design lives and were launched by 2004 and 2009 respectively. Second, that L1C, L5 and L2C are all still pre-operational thanks to the OCX debacle. L1C and L2C really modernize the signal structure to improve accuracy.

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TLDW: Russia is jamming GPS and GNSS over Europe, purposefully, using a constellation of military satellites. Theory is that Russia is constantly practicing to totally disrupt GPS and GNSS (and the Chinese system) across all of Europe.

GNSS is just the catch-all term. It stands for "Global Navigation Satellite System". The Chinese system is called BeiDou.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_navigation#BeiDou_(2...

And the Russian system is named (the Russian words for) "Global Navigation Satellite System", but usually only called GLONASS because adding L, O and A is less confusing than having one name for super- and sub-sets in a single category.

The fourth global GNSS constellation is Europe's Galileo. NavIC and QZSS are regional GNSS constellations.

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