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The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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GPS was always a dual use system. This is very detailed and specific, but not interesting or surprising. Research has been study GPS signal data, found parts that are encrypted and he doesn’t understand. The end. Article seems only intended to generate an emotional response of “how dare they use GPS for war, man!”

It’s not surprising, but I find it interesting.

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's simply because of using a public channel for encrypted communication.

Technically all RF communications are "public." You have to use encryption if you want security.

Would point to point laser seem like it's RF and not readily snooped without detection?

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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Slightly related the latest Veritasium Video: Something is jamming GPS over Europe. https://youtu.be/tz23G_UXCGA

TLDW: Russia is jamming GPS and GNSS over Europe, purposefully, using a constellation of military satellites.

Theory is that Russia is constantly practicing to totally disrupt GPS and GNSS (and the Chinese system) across all of Europe.

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah its not a number station at all.

I disagree? The point of a numbers station is that it broadcasts in the clear and anyone with a receiver can get it, but only people with the appropriate decryption key can make any use of it. Since it's broadcasting all the time, there's no need for steganography or covert transmission. That's exactly what a numbers station is. Where the article loses me is the implication that this is somehow sinister or beyond the…

Its all comes down to what we buy as the definition for a number station. For me a number station needs sends a message to be a number station, not a key.

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree? The point of a numbers station is that it broadcasts in the clear and anyone with a receiver can get it, but only people with the appropriate decryption key can make any use of it. Since it's broadcasting all the time, there's no need for steganography or covert transmission. That's exactly what a numbers station is. Where the article loses me is the implication that this is somehow sinister or beyond the…

Its all comes down to what we buy as the definition for a number station. For me a number station needs sends a message to be a number station, not a key.

>For me a number station needs sends a message to be a number station, not a key.

We don't know that it's a key that's being sent. For all we know, it could be just random data. Obviously it's most likely not random data, but ciphertext. Either way, we have no idea what the message is.

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically all RF communications are "public." You have to use encryption if you want security.

Would point to point laser seem like it's RF and not readily snooped without detection?

Unless you are in a vacuum, a laser that can reach a useful distance can be observed due to atmospheric scattering.

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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People are complaining about a clickbaity title but it's a fascinating article I am not sure most would read otherwise

What's interesting to me is how out of date US GPS system is compared to China's BeiDou

and while most US GPS receivers will use Russia's GLONOSS, China's BeiDou is blocked

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47849174

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #28

People are complaining about a clickbaity title but it's a fascinating article I am not sure most would read otherwise What's interesting to me is how out of date US GPS system is compared to China's BeiDou and while most US GPS receivers will use Russia's GLONOSS, China's BeiDou is blocked https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47849174

Indeed. i have some GPS receiver modules and had wondered about this data, I had assumed it was imprecision in my device or something to do with a satellite moving around. I'll have to plug it in and go back for another look.

Re: The Quiet Numbers Station: Decoding Nineteen Years of GPS Cryptography

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post #24

Slightly related the latest Veritasium Video: Something is jamming GPS over Europe. https://youtu.be/tz23G_UXCGA

TLDW: Russia is jamming GPS and GNSS over Europe, purposefully, using a constellation of military satellites. Theory is that Russia is constantly practicing to totally disrupt GPS and GNSS (and the Chinese system) across all of Europe.

Anyone have a good source to read up on the current state of the art for daytime celestial navigation? Maybe there isn't too much in the public domain, because things like GPS work so well. But I'd guess that since you can't easily artificially jam celestial navigation there would be military research on this. But I suppose clouds also limit the practicality as well.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-see-stars-...

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