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Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux

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Re: Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux

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post #43

What advantages does Azure Linux have compared to Ubuntu?

It's from Microsoft. Many companies love to be very tightly tied to Microsoft, for some reasons. I never really understood the actual underlying reasons. Perhaps Windows 95 was that good and it's brand loyalty since.

Just like Amazon, Google and even Vercel have their own distros.

To have full integration with their cloud services, instead of a random purpose Linux distro.

And accountability.

Re: Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux

#72
post #8

call me old fashioned isn't a general purpose OS one that runs on any hardware and set up? and is certified with hardware vendors for full backing and support? all this says is: "MS now provides a unified Linux from WSL to the MS cloud. just like what you got w/ SUSE RH canonical up to now. but without any support outside the MS stack.", right? or am I missing something?

I'd say old fashioned Linux would come without any certification or support.

I didn't mean DIY / Linux from scratch.

and I meant where I come from a general purpose OS is for any purpose, not just to run it on a very specific stack.

SUSE - Find Certified Hardware Products https://www.suse.com/yesCertified/home

similar pages exist for RH and canonical

but then Windows also is a general purpose OS.

hm.

what if MS strategizes on their hyper-v as hypervisor, with windows as control Panel and all payload on their Azure Linux? popcorn time?

Re: Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux

#74

Microsoft was a *nix supporter from the very beginning, with Microsoft Xenix.

There is even an interview of Bill Gates where he talks about UNIX as the future of computing, naturally with Xenix, how things turn around.

Xenix was my introduction to UNIX.

"The Future of Xenix"

https://archive.org/details/Unix_World_Vol02_10.pdf/page/n21...

Re: Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux

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post #8

call me old fashioned isn't a general purpose OS one that runs on any hardware and set up? and is certified with hardware vendors for full backing and support? all this says is: "MS now provides a unified Linux from WSL to the MS cloud. just like what you got w/ SUSE RH canonical up to now. but without any support outside the MS stack.", right? or am I missing something?

ISV certification is coming. On-prem hardware support would be interesting, wouldn't it?

without certification of other clouds and any hardware this is not general purpose.

their plan might however be a Micro-Windows, which only boots the hyper-v, which then runs that Linux. that move would leverage the Microsoft Windows hardware certification.

Re: Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux

#76
post #58
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, a general purpose distro would come with a desktop environment and you'd be able to run it on your PC as your main OS. Calling this general purpose is so misleading. Of course describing reality in titles would have the inconvenience of causing fewer clicks to these articles. The title on HN could be updated though.

According to [1] the guidelines explicitly say to keep editorializing to a specified minimum, unless it is spam. Dont know it this title would allow editorialising [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

They say "please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize".

I think it's misleading and linkbait. The mods would decide what to use instead, this could be "Azure Linux 4.0, Microsoft's Linux distribution for its cloud" or something like this.

Re: Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux

#78
post #74

Microsoft was a *nix supporter from the very beginning, with Microsoft Xenix.

There is even an interview of Bill Gates where he talks about UNIX as the future of computing, naturally with Xenix, how things turn around. Xenix was my introduction to UNIX. "The Future of Xenix" https://archive.org/details/Unix_World_Vol02_10.pdf/page/n21...

Also relevant quote that I think about when this subject comes up:

“If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won.” ~Linus Torvalds

In this case, an entire freaking distro.

Re: Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux

#79

How desperate is Microsoft right now? Their model website was trying hard to be Anthropic, now they claim they have a linux distro? Which is just a tuned version? What's next?

I don't think it's desperate.

I'm thinking companies are now paying for Red Hat license and support on Azure VMs and Microsoft wants that money.

It's an easy thing for Microsoft sales guy to offer to your bosses' bosses' boss next time they're golfing and having expensive dinner together, "hey you can get your Linux also from us, it will save you money by consolidating vendors and whatnot".

I expect many companies will switch to this no matter how much worse it might be than what they had previously.

Re: Azure Linux 4.0 is Microsoft's first general-purpose Linux

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post #43

What advantages does Azure Linux have compared to Ubuntu?

It's from Microsoft. Many companies love to be very tightly tied to Microsoft, for some reasons. I never really understood the actual underlying reasons. Perhaps Windows 95 was that good and it's brand loyalty since.

When I look at the oil & gas sector, I remember MS-DOS + Wordperfect was the beginning. Then Windows 3.1 + Microsoft Office took over, and since that, its been Microsoft, Azure, and SAP.

They refuse Google Cloud, AWS, and many still believe open-source is cancer. They are Microsofts best customers. They prefer consultants over hiring software developers, and the consultants just to what they're told and never question the status quo.

Whenever I spending time at these companies, my head is filled with dinosaurs.

Where I live we have something called The ONS event/Exhibition, where the oil sector gathers to promote themself. 2 years ago AWS had a big stand there, but it was mostly empty. This year, AWS doesn't participate at all.

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