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Third parties that can be clients of the AI vendor...
If it's worthless to AI vendors, they won't include it in the training corpus, so third parties won't have access to it.
The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
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#72Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
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> and they need US govt approval before model releases This isn't the case (yet).
It is for models trained with 10^26 flops. Anthropic confirmed Mythos was less than this. You could estimate the upper bound on model size from this.
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The difference is "the various acts" in the US are things that are largely very hard to do, extremely limited in scope, and companies who dispute the government's propriety can (and do) go to court to fight it. Sure "China bad, US good" is naive, but certainly not more naive than suggesting that companies and individuals have similar rights and protections as each other. > and they need US govt approval before model…
There was recently some announcement from the US govt itself (after the Mythos announcement) that they were pondering about allowing model releases from now on only after approving them. So it may not be strictly true for the moment, but it is certainly something that the current US govt can mandate at any time.
1) Far from them actually trying to do it
2) Very, very far from them actually doing it successfully
The US government absolutely cannot "just tell" private entities what products they're allowed to create and sell, and the fact that LLMs are arguably a form of expression will make these particular products extremely hard to regulate – especially as a broad "government checkpoint" on incremental product updates.
In China, it really is as simple as the government deciding that it doesn't like your products and ta-da, you can no longer sell them.
It's beyond naive to act like these are similar in any meaningful sense.
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It is for models trained with 10^26 flops. Anthropic confirmed Mythos was less than this. You could estimate the upper bound on model size from this.
That's the Biden executive order. It's notify only - the company must tell the government but the government doesn't approve or allow the release.
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Haha does it get bonus points for the extra button, or does it fail because html != SVG?
It actually rendered an SVG inline in the HTML page. I just tested the SVG and it renders itself just fine, including colors. So, tbh, I'd say the task has been properly achieved.
Bit like asking for CSS and then getting a HTML file back with the CSS embedded, that was not what I was asking for!
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I really dont want to be cynic but those guys gave a flying f””” about copyright while scraping the whole internet. How can I ever trust them to respect the oot-out setting. I cant. Thieves be thieves. And even if they dont train on the data. Who guarantees us, they dont let another AI model analyse all the data, exfiltrating all kinds of intelligence and using it? I only can imagine what OpenAI and Anthropic know….
Scraping the internet isn't a copyright violation. Using it for LLM training is much more transformative than Google and Internet Archive, which are legal.
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#78Re: The mysterious Hy3 LLM is topping OpenRouter Model Rankings by a large margin
#79OpenRouter rankings frustrate me, because they show the total number of tokens but they provide no indication of how many unique users a model has. Which means if a surprise model tops the leaderboard one week we can never be sure if it was because a single whale user pushing billions of tokens a day switched to it, or if it represents a genuine community trend towards that model.
Agreed. My little solo dev SaaS app’s production pipelines push almost two billion tokens a day.
Down with reality!!
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference is "the various acts" in the US are things that are largely very hard to do, extremely limited in scope, and companies who dispute the government's propriety can (and do) go to court to fight it. Sure "China bad, US good" is naive, but certainly not more naive than suggesting that companies and individuals have similar rights and protections as each other. > and they need US govt approval before model…
There was recently some announcement from the US govt itself (after the Mythos announcement) that they were pondering about allowing model releases from now on only after approving them. So it may not be strictly true for the moment, but it is certainly something that the current US govt can mandate at any time.
The AI oligarchs have no loyalty and when it comes to making money and they will drop the king at their first opportunity and the king in return will do the same.