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The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by bob1029 »

Seed oils probably aren't ideal, but I also worry how much this narrative is distracting from the bigger problem of sugar consumption. Humans only have so much attention and discipline. It would be a shame to focus all that energy on a "no seed oil" diet only to wind up even more unhealthy.

How many products with seed oil also contain some form of added sugar? I don't seem to have much issue with moderating the occasional bag of cheezits or goldfish, but the moment I start getting into cookies and ice cream it's like a junkie broke into my house.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by ElijahLynn »

selectodude wrote: post #68
mmaunder wrote: post #62

Fish, tree nuts, avocados and olive oil. Avoid butter, red meat and cheese. It’ll save your life.

I’d rather be dead than not eat butter, red meat, and cheese. But yeah don’t cook your vegetables in animal fat, that’s stupid.

Many people say that until they almost die. 350,000 people died of heart attacks in the US in 2025. A very preventable situation. Many more almost died. In many of those said they'd rather be dead than not eat butter, red meat and cheese.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by bonsai_spool »

dj68k wrote: post #54

I was into the second paragraph before I gave up. It's such AI-written slop that it makes me question any "science" this supposed "clinical dietitian" is trying to convince me of.

> It's such AI-written slop

How do you figure? It's not obvious to me after skipping over the heart-string-pulling introduction

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by WarmWash »

alkonaut wrote: post #23

Where is this panic? In the US? I don’t hear anything about it (in Europe).

On social media.

I'm not sure of the genesis of it, but it got traction with "health-fluencers" (not to be confused with health experts) and has spread like wildfire despite no real evidence backing it up. Its just a circle of parrots repeating whatever is trending so they can get on the algo train.

Now it's starting to show up in brands and businesses because the mindless algo herd gravitates towards it.

Apparently at heart it has to do with solvents being used to extract the oil, but those solvents are trivially boiled out after processing.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by ElijahLynn »

mmaunder wrote: post #62

Fish, tree nuts, avocados and olive oil. Avoid butter, red meat and cheese. It’ll save your life.

Also worth noting, that eating the seeds themselves is super healthy! They have more nutrients, including fiber, vitamins, minerals and more protein!

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by hombre_fatal »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #72
selectodude wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d rather be dead than not eat butter, red meat, and cheese. But yeah don’t cook your vegetables in animal fat, that’s stupid.

Many people say that until they almost die. 350,000 people died of heart attacks in the US in 2025. A very preventable situation. Many more almost died. In many of those said they'd rather be dead than not eat butter, red meat and cheese.

And if heart attack / stroke doesn't scare you, you can also think about atherosclerosis in your dick.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by lithocarpus »

bob1029 wrote: post #71

Seed oils probably aren't ideal, but I also worry how much this narrative is distracting from the bigger problem of sugar consumption. Humans only have so much attention and discipline. It would be a shame to focus all that energy on a "no seed oil" diet only to wind up even more unhealthy. How many products with seed oil also contain some form of added sugar? I don't seem to have much issue with moderating the occas…

Two things can be harmful at once.

I am curious which is worse in terms of contribution to modern chronic metabolic disease.

In the case of ultra-processed/refined oils though, there is an argument to be made that these are novel foods that humans never ate until very recently. There aren't any old people who have been eating them their whole lives in the quantities we do now. This is probably true for industrially refined sugar too, but sugar is a more complex story since people have been concentrating plant sugars for a lot longer than they've been industrially refining oil for food.

I'm not defending sugar though to be clear - I strictly avoid it and even avoid fruit juice and such. I know empirically for myself I feel terrible if I eat very much sugar. I also feel terrible if I eat much refined oil and I strictly avoid that too.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by kleton »

> First, “seed oils” is a marketing term, not a nutritional category.

"Seed oils" (commonly used cooking oils extracted from plant seeds excluding coconut) are as valid of a construct as "reptiles" (quadrupeds excluding aves and mammals) or "fish" (vertebrates excluding quadrupeds)

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