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Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by userbinator »

grebc wrote: post #61
streetfighter64 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assigning emotions to people based on what you'd like them to feel, not on reality. For example, most americans probably don't feel shame about being american. But it's still a good decision not to go around showing off a bunch of american flags abroad, unless you want people to look at you in a certain way.

So letting people know you’ve used AI is not a good thing? Best used in covert is what you’re saying?

Some people are just biased to the point that telling them something is AI when it's actually not will cause them to convince themselves such:

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/real-monet-ai-c...

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by transcriptase »

j2kun wrote: post #12
akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

Building a tool that tries (and probably fails) to remove the watermark (due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win) is tacitly accepting the barcode. The hacker ethos should be, first and foremost, to run open source models locally without relying on a corporation.

>due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win

Much like how the entirety of Hollywood, book publishers, academic publishers, and game developers have won against piracy despite being some of the largest corps on earth and dedicating untold billions to the issue over the past 30 years?

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by transcriptase »

NotMichaelBay wrote: post #62
akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

I'm pretty sure watermarking is (or soon will be) a requirement for AI generated images in software used in the EU, as part of their regulations for AI transparency.

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Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by BoredPositron »

bonoboTP wrote: post #21
int0x29 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accepting blindly destroying the concept of thruth should not be the hacker ethos either.

It's already possible to lie with text. Pixels are pixels. If we can't blindly believe pixels to show the truth, we will be simply back to the pre-photography era which managed to have a concept of truth regardless.

When could you ever trust pixels?

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by DonsDiscountGas »

akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

It's not "every digital move" it's the photos you ask them to create. If you care about privacy use a local model

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by wang_li »

akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

The human ethos should be to never be misleading about the origin and truth of any content you create, forward, or pass on. If we care about honesty we should jail anyone who does so.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by Retr0id »

esafak wrote: post #13
sgarman wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the issue is it was never definitive. This is a great way to show people that.

I have not read anyone claim that SynthID had a false alarm issue, so if it returned positive I would believe it is synthetic.

You can trivially false-flag any image by uploading it to gemini and asking it to return it as-is

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by nomel »

xp84 wrote: post #55
nomel wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple, don't trust what you see on the internet, which has been a constant since the mid 90's when it was invented.

When that idea was originated, the advice was more like: "Don't trust what you see on the Internet. Trust instead what you read in a reputable daily newspaper, or Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw on the nightly news, or BBC World News." Today, the Internet, especially the part which is not trustable, has nearly finished killing most of the "trustworthy" news sources, by outcompeting them for ad dollars - by being way bet…

This isn't just ads, trust in the mainstream media, itself, is very low [1], deservedly so in my opinion. The continuous lies by omission, the outright incorrect headlines/articles that they edit after a day, the lock-step messaging, alignment, and avoidance of topics, pushed by their respective political parties/billionaire owners (6 companies own 90% of media [2]), made me switch to more independent journalists.

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/695762/trust-media-new-low.aspx

[2] https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control...

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by Tiberium »

gpt5 wrote: post #11
Tiberium wrote: post #3

This is a bit misleading as for Gemini it only properly removes the visible watermark. To remove SynthID it has to regenerate the image at low noise with SDXL, which will likely destroy a lot of small details, plus won't work for higher res properly (NB2 and GPT Image 2 support up to 4K image outputs)

Nano Banana 2 only supports 1K resolution (1024x1024) natively. Anything above that is upscaling. So this matches SDXL. GPT Image 2 does support 4k natively (but experimentally).

It's not upscaling for NB2, 4K outputs are very different from 1K, and output tokens count is also different.
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