Perhaps they should phase out the encryption on WhatsApp as well?
Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging
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#72Isn't this really about "protecting" minors using Instagram?
If they allow E2E encryption, they can't scan for CSAM or do other monitoring stuff effectively, so they can't provide a "safe" place for minors.
Obviously the right answer is kids shouldn't be exposed to social media at all, but more eyeballs is more important than our kids.
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#73Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.
building new features on top of E2EE is genuinely hard, and I've seen many companies struggle to keep innovating while staying strictly E2EE. Having seen multiple leading messaging/VoIP stacks from inside, the amount of engineering spent to work around various limitations of E2EE in real prod scenarios is insane, and even for simple every-day-use features metrics don't compare to the metrics of the same feature runni…
Then a more reasonable response is: “we cannot as effectively monetize all of the data in our advertising platform disguised as another tool entirely unless we disable E2EE and we need to be able to allow not only ourselves but others to invade your privacy even more than we already do because it’s technologically difficult to do so when we encrypt your communications.”
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Best" is subjective. But "caring about their users"? Their response to RtR alone shows they care about their margins more than their users.
Apple care about their users like a farmer cares about a herd of dairy cows. Whereas Microsoft and Google care about their users like a farmer cares about a herd of pigs.
Ham and eggs. The chicken is involved. The pig is committed.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple feels like the only big tech company that remotely cares about its users. Thank god they make the best computer and OS too. I’m sure this will not be a popular take on HN however.
Android was originally enticing because of iOS locking everything down and controlling the ecosystem
Android was designed to prevent Windows from dominating mobile:
I literally helped create Android to prevent Microsoft from controlling the phone the way they did the PC - stifling innovation. So it's always funny for me to hear Gates whine about losing mobile to Android.
— Rich Miner (https://x.com/richminer/status/1879004092602982765)
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Privacy is the reason I’m still on team Apple.
Apple's response to the UK gov asking to see users' iCloud data says enough about where their priorities lie [1]. They do something far worse in China [2]. Don't fool yourself into believing Apple cares about your privacy. They care about money. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/technology/apple-moves-to-st...
Your links say that Apple complies with the laws of major countries. Which companies don’t do that?
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Best" is subjective. But "caring about their users"? Their response to RtR alone shows they care about their margins more than their users.
Apple care about their users like a farmer cares about a herd of dairy cows. Whereas Microsoft and Google care about their users like a farmer cares about a herd of pigs.
I can tell you don't actually know what goes on on a dairy farm.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
building new features on top of E2EE is genuinely hard, and I've seen many companies struggle to keep innovating while staying strictly E2EE. Having seen multiple leading messaging/VoIP stacks from inside, the amount of engineering spent to work around various limitations of E2EE in real prod scenarios is insane, and even for simple every-day-use features metrics don't compare to the metrics of the same feature runni…
Then a more reasonable response is: “we cannot as effectively monetize all of the data in our advertising platform disguised as another tool entirely unless we disable E2EE and we need to be able to allow not only ourselves but others to invade your privacy even more than we already do because it’s technologically difficult to do so when we encrypt your communications.”
it doesn't necessarily have to be tied to monetization & privacy directly.
It may just be that ROI doesn't make sense: very few user out there truly care about (or even understand) E2EE, for quite some users it creates an inconvenience & support incidents (harder to move from device to device, forgot your passphrase - lost your history, new joiners to a group chat don't see previous history, etc), it requires a significant additional engineering effort to just maintain it, many new features get shipped much slower because of it...
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do people expect that Instagram can't read their Instagram private messages? I don't think people expect that. And E2EE is not nearly as cheap as the HN crowd likes to pretend—how do those devices get those keys if not through a central service? Especially if one of them is a web browser?
>Do people expect that Instagram can't read their Instagram private messages? I don't think people expect that. A deeper question is why we reached a point where people can't reasonably expect their communication to not be spied on.
PRISM?
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple care about their users like a farmer cares about a herd of dairy cows. Whereas Microsoft and Google care about their users like a farmer cares about a herd of pigs.
I can tell you don't actually know what goes on on a dairy farm.
If you charitable (like you should be), then a reasonable assumption is that they probably know what happens on a dairy farm, and that's actually their point.