Live data from Hacker News

DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May

api-docs.deepseek.com

71–80 of 93 posts

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May

#71

What coding agent(ideally CLI) have people found works well with this? Occasionally I go and try different agents with openrouter models, but nothing seems to really get close to the proprietary ones like claude-code.

Pi (pi.dev) is fine. I'm using it with DS v4 right now. It's not close to Claude code but I think that's the point.

By the way OpenRouter version is very slow for some reason. DeepSeek platform is faster (and cheaper with the discount) if you don't mind passing the credit card number / email to this company.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May

#73
I find it hard to understand why nobody in this thread considers that the current pricing might still be below cost. The discount was supposed to end on May 5, and then shortly after that they extended it to May 31. They clearly made a judgment call there, rather than treating it as a desperate loss-leader.

If you have actually used DeepSeek, you would notice that the cache-hit rate is extremely high, and the cache invalidation window is much longer than every other provider's. That suggests DeepSeek is simply much better at utilizing its infrastructure than other vendors.

I am also highly skeptical that the average user's input is worth more than the API cost of processing it. Do people really think DeepSeek researchers enjoy panning for gold in a river of boilerplate and half-baked code?

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May

#74
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is clearly a well-timed loss-leading strategic market share grab! Anthropic have blown a lot of user trust in the last couple of months.. But, overall, the current AI pricing is completely unsustainable, across all AI companies, except via the exponential growth they are relying on. Dylan Patel did the most insightful analysis of this I've come across.. https://youtu.be/mDG_Hx3BSUE?si=nyJu4adwYCH1igbJ

Really feel like the current versions are for sure "good enough". Thats not how market capture is gonna function though and they are gonna keep pushing because the only moat is to stay ahead, so the problems gonna stay strange. at some point more compute isn't a reasonable answer, and optimization is, and my feeling is we are well past that point from a product perspective, but ipos etc etc

So I think the current generation of models are arguably all about the same in terms of capability. However, the requirement for exponential growth I mentioned is all about the economics.

AI companies are trying to ride a growth wave where the income curve lags the expense curve by 1-2 years, and at the same time investing 10x their historical income on next year's projected demand.

Everyone is selling their API calls at a loss, because to capture the investment required to scale the business up and the costs down, you need to grow your market now (in relative and absolute terms). And history shows, that in big tech you often have winner-takes-all situations, or, at least a couple of big firms will dominate, and the others will die. That's where market share becomes a key strategic goal.

But to secure that, they also need to be building next year's compute now. And if their anticipated compute needs are 10x this year, they've got a serious funding problem, one that can only be filled by capital with an appropriate risk appetite. You can only get this high-risk capital when the potential payoff is even more enormous, or, when it's a smaller bite of a much bigger pie. Hence, MS putting into OpenAI and so on. But the investment needs are getting so big we are starting to see some pullback from more conservative sources, but also record deals from others.

Now say an AI company does get the capital they need to grow. Well, they've still got a very serious supply problem. RAM, GPUs, water, electricity etc. Hence why there's a lot of deals and cross-investment going on - everyone is trying to secure resources and lower their overall risk exposure while keeping a foot in every possible door, so they can switch alliances whenever it's expedient, and because collaboration also helps the overall market to grow.

This all explains to me why the industry _needs_ the hype. These companies can't exist without it, because the money they need to sink in, in order to even be around in 18 months, far outstrips all reasonable financial practices. So it's capitalism on steroids or nothing. If you believe the AI story, then to that extent, it's rational.

But note that nowhere in this scenario does it suggest the actual consumers will be getting a consistent product at a consistent price!!!

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May

#75
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone will ever be confused by the "only country to use the bomb" in this context. Your pedantry is not something to not feel bad about as it does nothing constructive to the conversation

> the One country that dropped an A-bomb > "only country to use the bomb" I was confused. Two very different statements but I assume they refer to the US who dropped two A-bombs (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) in anger.

only different if you don't consider "the bomb" the way it is colloquially used. until today, i would have never considered saying "the bomb" would not have been understood as a nuclear weapon whether that was an a-bomb or an h-bomb.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May

#76
post #39
post #32

Per 1M tokens (input cache hit / input cache miss / output) v4-pro (75% off): $0.003625 / $0.435 / $0.87 v4-pro (regular): $0.0145 / $1.74 / $3.48 v4-flash: $0.0028 / $0.14 / $0.28 that is damn cheap.

You are the product. The book is called "So long, and thanks for all the secrets"

What if I told you.. this was no different to every US company

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May

#79
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No because China can only do so much to me as someone who doesn't live there and never will. It's the same reason why I prefer vpns that are owned by countries outside my own.

Unless you're very careful, it's trivial to have my secrets to be sent to the LLM. If it reads your .env just to see the variable names, the secrets have been sent to the servers. Now - they probably don't care about you and your secrets - but it makes me more uncomfortable that they have them. This is true of anthropic or openai - but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting…

> If it reads your .env just to see the variable names, the secrets have been sent to the servers.

But these are development secrets. They're of no use to anyone.

Production secrets probably live in another repo, or at least are stored encrypted. In my case both. And I'm managing the least sensitive stuff you can imagine: a pre-school website, a non-profit event website, personal blog...

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really feel like the current versions are for sure "good enough". Thats not how market capture is gonna function though and they are gonna keep pushing because the only moat is to stay ahead, so the problems gonna stay strange. at some point more compute isn't a reasonable answer, and optimization is, and my feeling is we are well past that point from a product perspective, but ipos etc etc

The only moat is the us trying to buy all the compute hardware in the world for the next two years. Then China, amd, etc are just making their own chips.

DeepSeek claims that they can run inference on Huawei chips. Not sure about training.
Post reply on HN