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North American English Dialects

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Is anyone archiving these accents ? As much as I’m happy that kids now have access to YouTube, and thus can use the neutral influencer dialect, something about our culture is being erased. I grew up speaking both a neutral California accent and bits of AAVE. AAVE itself is drastically different depending on the part of the US you’re in. I can barely understand southern AAVE. NYC AAVE is much faster, but I think NYC p…

Wikitongues is doing this with languages.

https://www.youtube.com/@Wikitongues/videos

Re: North American English Dialects

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The title says "dialects" but most comments here are only about accents. Can people here give examples of non-standard grammar or vocabulary (that goes beyond some temporary slang or subculture words)?

I'm from Indiana. I'm not an expert, but I do travel across the US for work, and here's a few things that are normal to me but weird to others.

"Your car needs washed" instead of "you need to wash your car"

Replying "You're good" after someone apologizes.

Adding an S to the end of brand names, especially grocery stores.

I don't do this one, but my extended family in Ohio just says "please" when they mean "could you repeat that?"

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> And hop on a zoom 30 minutes later to chat. This would be unimaginable 50 years ago. It was pretty easy to imagine 50 years ago. For example, Star Trek started airing 60 years ago. The Jetsons started airing a few years before that.

And it would be basically free and accessible to anyone? Two 50$ cell phones can Zoom using library WiFi across the globe

Back in the 80s, Zortech was located in London while I lived in the Seattle area. International phone calls were too expensive, so we would communicate by fax. Late at night, sending a fax cost about a dollar a page. (No email then.)

An unanticipated result is I have a record of our conversations, which would have all been lost if it was phone calls.

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Spoilers! That season/series was a really fun watch. In previous seasons/series they didn't have the formula down yet, so 2/3rds of the episode were one literally starving person after another, just sighing into a camera about how hungry they are, how cold it is, and how nothing is changing. Whereas in this one some people did incredibly well, others tapped out after setbacks, illness, or made thinly-veiled excuses a…

Great show. There were some series which were a bit sad and just became about who was the poorest and most desperate to stick it out for 500k.

Being cold, miserable, lonely, wet, dirty, uncomfortable, and hungry for 60 days just seems hellish. And then, as #2, you came away with nothing.

The curious thing is they all claim to be survival experts, but they don't know how to build a proper fireplace (either burning down their shelter or asphyxiating themselves). None of them who used a fish net would take it out of the river during a storm, so it isn't destroyed. And there were always contestants who would spend all their calories building a log cabin, and then starvation would force them out.

Re: North American English Dialects

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Reminds me of the awesome (old) New York Times dialect quiz, which was weirdly accurate: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/dialect-quiz...

Paywalled, but I am reminded of people who study dialects being able to discern where someone is from using a kind of binary tree approach. In some cases a single word differentiating which side of a specific hill they were born.

You could try this gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/dialect-quiz...

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They have audio samples if that’s what you mean. The ones from where I grew up were spot on but rare even when I was growing up in the 90s. https://aschmann.net/AmEng/#AudioFilesOfLocalDialects

I looked through and found one rejected video from Montreal. It's crazy to me, to reject someone with a French accent. It's how people talk here! Many consider themselves perfectly bilingual and grew up speaking both languages. Even the more Anglo-Quebecois have a very specific vocabulary and accent heavily influenced by French.

I used to visit French speaking Canada when I was in college. I found it interesting to see people who could switch between an Anglo-Canadian accent and a French-Canadian accent, to my ear sounding native at both. This wasn't everyone obviously, but there were people like that.

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Local pronunciations of place names are often different from what's expected, and whether intended to be such or not, are often used as shibboleths to distinguish locals from outsiders. The examples of Couch Street (/ˈkutʃ/) in Portland, Oregon and Tchoupitoulas Street (/ˌtʃɑp.ə.ˈtuː.ləs/) in New Orleans, Louisiana come to mind in American place names.

Fartown? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fartown%2C_Huddersfield

In this LLM age, I guess that would be Gas Town :-(

https://steve-yegge.medium.com/welcome-to-gas-town-4f25ee16d...

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Also a lot of Chalmatians still possess a strongly related 'yat accent. Is there a "River Ridge, brah" joke too?

No, that would be a union violation. "Kenna, brah" is an institution. And I can't believe I just read "Chalmatians" on HN. Full disclosure, I went to Holy Cross when it was still in the Ninth Ward. Chalmatian has been part of my vocabulary since the 80's. I'm sure every big city has its neighborhoods with individual cultures, but our heavily mixed population combined with insular land masses tend to create very disti…

I lived across from where the old Patton’s plant used to be until a couple years ago and then I moved to Mid-City.

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I feel that the Maritimes are somewhat simplified here, especially Newfoundland and Labrador which has some of the most distinctive accents on the continent, at least among older people.

It's absolutely oversimplified, someone from a small coastal town in Newfoundland does not sound at all like a person from much of the same area labeled "atlantic canadian" in Nova Scotia, or in larger cities like Fredericton or Moncton in NB. Putting basically all of NB, NS and NF as one large pink blob on the map is a drastic oversimplifiaction. It also seems that whoever created this kind of gave up when figuring…

It's oversimplified for any region whatsoever. You're citing right here what people speak like in big west coast cities but I grew up in California and would have been able to tell apart people who grew up in Anaheim versus San Gabriel Valley versus San Fernando Valley versus West LA, let alone LA versus San Francisco. I couldn't have explained what the difference is but I could have heard it. Everybody will be more attuned to the tiny regional differences of the place they actually come from, but a map like this would be impossible to make if you tried to draw out the boundaries and explanations for 400 million separate regional dialects.

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Great show. There were some series which were a bit sad and just became about who was the poorest and most desperate to stick it out for 500k.

Being cold, miserable, lonely, wet, dirty, uncomfortable, and hungry for 60 days just seems hellish. And then, as #2, you came away with nothing. The curious thing is they all claim to be survival experts, but they don't know how to build a proper fireplace (either burning down their shelter or asphyxiating themselves). None of them who used a fish net would take it out of the river during a storm, so it isn't destro…

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