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Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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The UK has been far better at this than the US thus far. While we were having "No Kings" rallies over our elected Epstein co-conspirator, they arrested and demoted a royal family member over it . And a separate lord.

There was a second person arrested? I thought only Andy got got.

Lord Mandelson, former ambassador to the US.

https://www.npr.org/2026/02/23/g-s1-111196/uk-peter-mandelso...

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

#72

I don't get the point of banning specific pornography niches/fetishes that are otherwise legal. Are there not much more objectionable fetishes than this one?

> I don't get the point of banning specific pornography niches/fetishes that are otherwise legal.

A typical practice for dictatorships to create a legal system capable of exerting pressure on any opponent.

> Are there not much more objectionable fetishes than this one?

The goal isn't to combat sexual perversions, but to silence anyone the dictatorial regime deems necessary.

You pass a law that's clearly unimplementable, and therefore won't cause much outrage, and then, as expected, the law doesn't work. But when you need to silence someone, a complaint emerges that someone accessed and distributed illegal content (some anonymous on some forum saw their IP-address doing that). In the public consciousness, the violation isn't serious (the law isn't actually implemented), so there's no significant outrage. Meanwhile, you conduct searches of the victim's home, confiscate their computers, laptops, smartphones and other gadgets, and open a criminal case against them.

And then you simply close the case, saying, "Yeah, nothing illegal was found, we are sorry". And the victim (and others) will think twice before going against the dictatorial regime next time. Typical practice, all dictatorships do it

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

#73
"anyone found to posses or publish pornography which shows incest between family members, or sex between step- or foster-relations where one person is pretending to be under-18"

This reads to me as though sex between foster-relations where one person is pretending to be over 18 is still A-OK. Wasn't it already illegal to depict sex with an under-18 year old though?

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

#74

I don't get the point of banning specific pornography niches/fetishes that are otherwise legal. Are there not much more objectionable fetishes than this one?

I'm guessing that incest porn is apparently so popular in the US that it's made finding anything that isn't incest porn on US porn sites much harder for these perfectly upstanding members of the House of Lords.

Wait, am I still allowed to say upstanding members?

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

#76
It's interesting how restricting the commercialization of recorded sex acts (by consenting actors) has had more success over the last few decades than restricting the commercialization of recorded violence (by consenting actors).

Adding to the curiosity: there seems to be many more possible legal actions in the sex category than the violence category.

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Hmm, being from the western US, I wasn't even aware that this is an Islam-adjacent topic in the UK.

I was thinking of inbred UK royalty jokes. (And, to some extent, our own Appalachia inbreeding stereotypes which overlap with UK-derived sub-populations.)

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

#78

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You're semantically quibbling with a clear joke and using those quibbles to avoid engaging with the point it's making.

> "Selling is legal, and fucking is legal; but selling fucking is not legal." I don't get it. The literal interpretation is a clear joke, as you say. So what's the point that it is making? To be clear, I think the law discussed is stupid. I also think the argument that if both parts are legal they should also be legal together is wrong. What am I avoiding?

I'm referring to the two other jokes you quoted.

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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Some ministers had opposed the amendment and suggested the new ban would have been difficult to implement because, under the law in England and Wales, it is not illegal for adults who are step-related to engage in a sexual relationship. This is amusing to me. Legal to do, but not legal to film.

> This is amusing to me. Legal to do, but not legal to film.

I don't know if it's amusing but the comparison is incorrect. Doing it in public is not legal. These laws are about the public part, not about the doing part.

Carlin's quote in this thread suffers from the same problem, he was eager to say something amusing, instead of correct, and did it prematurely.

Re: Peers vote to ban pornography depicting sex acts between stepfamily members

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You are absolutely right! It takes incredible bravery to admit that if we cannot solve the problem in totality then incremental improvements are useless.

Fair point, but I have been very surprised by how many normie friends have gotten a VPN since our state mandated age checks for adult content.

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