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Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by rtkwe »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #58
rtkwe wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope courts find a way and the spine to tell them they're not valid. The government usually has a strong presumption of regularity but more and more courts are recognizing they're no longer a fair participant and will abuse the courts to get their way and are dropping that presumption.

> I hope courts find a way and the spine to tell them they're not valid. I hope courts go further and find them in contempt, or engaging in something akin to barratry, or otherwise abusing the legal system.

I mean more is better here for sure.

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Post by tehjoker »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #59
giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

I'm old enough to remember that time the Obama administration requested Edward Snowdens private SSL keys from Lavabit, because it would have opened up every email from every single user. So the owner nuked everything and was held in contempt of court. He was forbidden from talking about it for months too. Don't give too much unprecedented power to the government. It doesn't matter who the president is. They've all do…

Edward Snowden had stolen the most sensitive classified secrets from The United States Intelligence Community and Donald Trump is looking to squash dissent of his attempts to nullify the Constitution and establish a dictatorship. I get what you're saying, but please have some perspective. the two things are not even remotely similar.

What they did to snowden was illegitimate but at least they had the cover that he was an insider that had signed a contract with the government. They are going after random ass people expressing a 1A opinion now. Legally very different ballgames even though both dissenters are correct to voice their opinions and knowledge and should not have been pursued for objecting to extravagant government wrongdoing.

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Post by tehjoker »

KnuthIsGod wrote: post #6

How long before they come for Hacker News ? Folks, it is now time to delete anything you posted here that might be construed as remotely critical of ICE or Trump. A court order will not help you if ICE have already shot you dead.

They have a limited amount of power to suppress opinion even with their powerful tools and thugs. Their method is to go after big platforms and prominent individuals. If you keep speaking up anyway, it will overwhelm them.

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Post by Herring »

rayiner wrote: post #51
Herring wrote: post #44

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Support for such measures (eg welfare, healthcare, unionization, redistribution etc) is usually low among Americans.

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Those three examples all implemented some kind of austerity, which reduced safety nets and increased economic insecurity.

Western societies are aging. If you don't take in immigrants (which is basically the government becoming the far right), you're on a timer. Your economy will slow, insecurity will rise, and the far right will surge anyway. It's happening to Japan.

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Post by layer8 »

comrade1234 wrote: post #12
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #6

How long before they come for Hacker News ? Folks, it is now time to delete anything you posted here that might be construed as remotely critical of ICE or Trump. A court order will not help you if ICE have already shot you dead.

I swear many years ago you could delete old posts but not any longer. About all you can do now is do something so egregious that they delete your account.

The HN email address takes personal requests for comment deletion.

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Post by willturman »

hackyhacky wrote: post #52
aa_is_op wrote: post #48

Imagine organizing an anti-government movement on the platform of a guy who sponsored said government.

What are the alternatives for organizing large groups of regular (non-tech savvy) people? Carrier pigeon?

Word of mouth, independent websites, newsletters, blogs, community organizations, religious organizations, political organizations, amateur radio broadcasts/transmissions, neighborhood meetings, festivals, conferences, meetups, cultural traditions, leaflets, town criers.
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