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TikTok is now collecting more data about its users
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Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
100% Israel. China couldn't save tiktok but when tiktokers started criticizing Israel's actions in Gaza Israel got tiktok transferred to a zionist lighting quick with support from both American political parties and no 1st amendment concerns.
Its been a while now and I've wondered if anyone has recorded any hard data in how the acquisitions has shifted the platform. I just hope that someone is collecting hard records so we can see the damage after everything has played out over time. As far as I can tell at least among the American left, criticism of israel has become so commonplace and part of the culture that its become a "memeable" event at this point.…
>I wonder how the Israel lobby will manage to turn that ship around at this point?
The effect of popular criticism of Israel in the US has been the normalization of mass censorship and deportation, and nil on Israeli policy or American support for it (other than being the catalyst for killing Kamala Harris' campaign.) The ship doesn't need to be turned around, it continues on its course unabated.
Last I heard Trump intends to pave Gaza over and sell the land for data centers to the Saudis.
Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
...Highly disagree. China can (and has) manipulate the hearts and minds of the American public—skewing their biases in a way that creates internal chaos and dissent, disrupting institutional order, and sewing distrust of thy neighbor. They've been doing this for at least a decade now, and have played a silent hand in reshaping American politics. If (when) a conflict arises, trust that they will use this tool to manip…
> China can (and has) manipulate the hearts and minds of the American public—skewing their biases in a way that creates internal chaos and dissent, disrupting institutional order, and sewing distrust of thy neighbor Nothing a tin-foil hat can't prevent As if the public needed any manipulation. You can just read what actual public figures, journalists, and such have been openly saying for the last 15-20 years... When…
No tin-foil hat needed. There is published research documenting that this is happening [0] on certain topics and there is a lot of reason to believe it is happening in others. Yes, I'm not saying China is the only source of the state of our domestic discontent; but it's fuel to the fire and will be used against us at times in the future when we need national cohesion. See also [1] a 60 minutes episode on a related thread of China infiltrating the US in other ways.
[0] https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Report_-...
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43vxbytjDSM&themeRefresh=1
Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
...Highly disagree. China can (and has) manipulate the hearts and minds of the American public—skewing their biases in a way that creates internal chaos and dissent, disrupting institutional order, and sewing distrust of thy neighbor. They've been doing this for at least a decade now, and have played a silent hand in reshaping American politics. If (when) a conflict arises, trust that they will use this tool to manip…
> skewing their biases in a way that creates internal chaos and dissent, disrupting institutional order, and sewing distrust of thy neighbor. I don't really have respect for this idea; we do this to ourselves far more effectively than people who frankly have a pretty hamfisted cultural understanding- just as we have of china or russia. IMO influence over real concrete choices is much more alarming. Someone with house…
> And spoiler, zero american politicians are pro-china.
..Other than, well possibly, Trump. Maybe not directly, but the Tiktok deal, withdrawing from the TPP, the eventual outcome of the trade war, the praise for Xi—all stands to benefit China at the expense of the US.
> I don't really have respect for this idea; we do this to ourselves far more effectively than people who frankly have a pretty hamfisted cultural understanding- just as we have of china or russia.
The two need not be mutually exclusive.
Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users
#75Is this why the location suggestions on my posts used to be so wildly inaccurate? Because they weren't collecting precise location?
Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its been a while now and I've wondered if anyone has recorded any hard data in how the acquisitions has shifted the platform. I just hope that someone is collecting hard records so we can see the damage after everything has played out over time. As far as I can tell at least among the American left, criticism of israel has become so commonplace and part of the culture that its become a "memeable" event at this point.…
>I wonder how the Israel lobby will manage to turn that ship around at this point? The effect of popular criticism of Israel in the US has been the normalization of mass censorship and deportation, and nil on Israeli policy or American support for it (other than being the catalyst for killing Kamala Harris' campaign.) The ship doesn't need to be turned around, it continues on its course unabated. Last I heard Trump i…
Thats a short term solution to stop criticism that has essentially put more fuel on the fire. Millenials are start to take the reigns and I don't see a strong pro-Israel coalition among their cohort yet. They are likely being groomed but I dont think it will be a clear transition. Anti-Israel candidates are making moves and occasionally willing seats. If this accelerates they will play an important role in the future of American politics.
>Last I heard Trump intends to pave Gaza over and sell the land for data centers to the Saudis.
Honestly anything is possible. Maybe they will continue unabated and finish their project before Trump kicks the can. Maybe this upcoming Iran 'adventure' will be a massive disaster and will lead to a step change in hatred of Israel and anyone who supports them. I just dont see any of the old propaganda used in Iraq working this time around.
Maybe Israel completes their complete expulsion of Palestinians and then forms a solid base as the center of the middle east with everyone else being a vassal state. Would they even need the US at that point?
Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users
#77the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product. It's sort've cliche at this point but we got the worst of both Orwell and Huxley in that our super-invasive surveillance apparatus is also a super-addictive apparatus designed to hit all our evolutionary buttons like a slot machine.
> the solution to this is very obvious, but I know some folks won't cease using the product "Everyone should simultaneously quit doing the harmful thing" is a "solution" to our present surveillance advertising problem in the way that advice to save money is a solution to poverty or "have you tried farming?" is a solution to world hunger. I.e. not a solution for humans, but a description of a beeline to the desired st…
I didn't say it was easy, but also I don't think uninstalling tik-tok is as difficult as solving global poverty. It's obviously designed to be addictive but it's also not on the level of a chemical dependency for 90% of the population. Like, yeah, some folks probably need medical intervention but most social media users could give up on the dank maymays with only mild difficulty.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hacker News is Social Media
HN (and Reddit) are not social media, they are forums. Social media are platforms where the main purpose is to socialise. Forums are platforms where the main purpose is to discuss the topic of any given thread. Just because you can talk to someone, doesn't make it social media. I will die on this hill.
The moment you insert algorithmic curation it stops being “just” a forum IMO. The moment you add gamification on top (karma points, likes, rewards) it stops being just a forum.
Reddit is definitely not a forum the same way old-school forums were forums. And I don’t believe you can, with a straight face, say that they’re the same.
Also, “Forums are platforms where the main purpose is to discuss the topic of any given thread”. That’s a very broad definition. Depending on how loose you want to enforce that you can convince me that Twitter and YouTube are forums.
Plus, “discuss the topic of any given thread” you say this in a thread about TikTok collecting more data while you’re clearly talking about something unrelated to that.
These definitions are blurry. If I told you “we should set up a forum” you’d not instinctively think we’re creating Reddit, and for good reasons.
But I’ll agree that HN is probably the more forum than social media if we were to place it on a scale. And that’s how these platforms should be judged imo: on a scale.
Re: TikTok is now collecting more data about its users
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
„Hey, while we have the data - why not pipe it directly to ICE? Palantir might use it as well.“ All for the sake of "security & safety", I‘d assume.
I don’t know if you’re joking, but that’s pretty clearly exactly what they’re going to do. Take a look at the new terms of service. They released this morning, this whole app has just been weaponized against political and dissidents.
I was joking. I did not know this. That is horrible. I hope at some point the American people find the courage to fight for their democracy.