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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by 1over137 »

latexr wrote: post #42
afandian wrote: post #22

Question for people who have installed Tahoe. Of the regions in the article, which bring window focus / key window? Is it area clipped to the round rect? Or is it similarly weird? If there was a background window in that area outside the corner, would it receive the click event?

> Of the regions in the article, which bring window focus Just did a quick test in a VM, and it seems all of them. I.e. if you could resize the window, clicking that space (even if empty) brings it into focus. But then I also tested on Sequoia and the same happens. It seems then that basically everything remained the same except for the visual presentation of the corner.

>It seems then that basically everything remained the same except for the visual presentation of the corner.

Which just goes to show how holistic design is utterly lacking. They seem to think just swapping bitmaps is "UI redesign".

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by mbrumlow »

Idk. I don’t resize windows with the mouse at all. I use the key bindings to move to a tile position or fill screen.

I almost always never use a mouse for more than maybe moving a tab to another window.

So I am wondering, are people fighting using a Mac in the most effective way simply because of old patterns and habits?

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by asaddhamani »

lateforwork wrote: post #41

This behavior is similar to Windows 11. You have to position the mouse just outside the window. It is non-intuitive and awful. These are problems humanity solved over 35 years ago (see NeXTSTEP). Why are these designers breaking basic features that worked for over 35 years?

Call me cynical but I think designers need to occasionally break things that were already solved long ago to justify their continued relevance. Explains a lot of redesigns that make things only worse, reshuffling interfaces, hiding things behind menus in form over function redesigns, etc.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by Gigachad »

nntwozz wrote: post #36
GrowingSideways wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you interpret this comment for those of us that haven't used windows? All i can recall from "vista" is that it looked good

Apple had one of the most successful and known ad campaigns "I'm a mac and I'm a PC" ridiculing Windows Vista, they pretty much summed it up in those. Getting to Windows 11 today, they have ads in the Start menu. Not exactly appealing to the Apple crowd…

They also ridiculed the permissions popups. But now when I plug my AirPods to charge on my MacBook it opens a permissions popup.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by AkelaA »

Lammy wrote: post #43

Compare to Aqua and Platinum where every resizable window/pane had a big square drag target clearly labeled as such with some diagonal lines: https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema... https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema...

It also - as seen in that screenshot, had large, always visible scrollbars where it was easy to see how far down you were in a folder or document, and could easily click and drag to scroll to where you needed. Now in the service of minimalism we have scrollbars that consist of a thin, semi-transparent line that fades out after half a second and is nearly impossible to click and drag due to how small it is.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by stevage »

nextos wrote: post #40
nntwozz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to beat on my own drum but as a mac convert from the days of Tiger I saw the writing on the wall from miles away. Still on iOS 18 and macOS 15 (Sequoia). I was a day one upgrader up until now, never had any regrets but this time things seemed very different. It's worrisome but all is not lost, I'll start sweating for real if next year's releases don't improve things substantially.

The Tiger to Snow Leopard era was fantastic. Things were simple and worked. There was also a great boutique apps ecosystem. Right now, it seems that macOS is going through its enshittification phase, sadly.

I still remember Snow Leopard - I think that's when I started using Mac.

Most of the upgrades since then I have resisted and not enjoyed, though I seem to recall liking Mavericks.

A lot of the big features each time seem to be about tieing further into the Apple ecosystem, which doesn't interest me at all, since I have no other devices and don't use iCloud.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by jazzyjackson »

signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

> "I wish I didn’t.”

Can't you do a factory reset/recovery on Mac that lands on the version of macos shipped with the device? Then you could re-upgrade to the os you wanted, without trying it it seems Sequoia is still available in the app store

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by [deleted] »

foxandmouse wrote: post #57
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

> Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Yes, but Linux is finally in that position, not to mention we're seeing silicon from intel and amd that can compete with the M series on mobile devices.

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