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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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This behavior is similar to Windows 11. You have to position the mouse just outside the window. It is non-intuitive and awful.

These are problems humanity solved over 35 years ago (see NeXTSTEP). Why are these designers breaking basic features that worked for over 35 years?

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

#42

Question for people who have installed Tahoe. Of the regions in the article, which bring window focus / key window? Is it area clipped to the round rect? Or is it similarly weird? If there was a background window in that area outside the corner, would it receive the click event?

> Of the regions in the article, which bring window focus

Just did a quick test in a VM, and it seems all of them. I.e. if you could resize the window, clicking that space (even if empty) brings it into focus. But then I also tested on Sequoia and the same happens.

It seems then that basically everything remained the same except for the visual presentation of the corner.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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This behavior is similar to Windows 11. You have to position the mouse just outside the window. It is non-intuitive and awful. These are problems humanity solved over 35 years ago (see NeXTSTEP). Why are these designers breaking basic features that worked for over 35 years?

This is probably not a coincidence. I can pretty much guarantee you a developer said something to a designer like "hey, most of this is outside the window, is that fine?" and the designer said back "well, I think so, but let's check what Windows did," and then they okayed the decision at least in part because Windows did it.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

Not to beat on my own drum but as a mac convert from the days of Tiger I saw the writing on the wall from miles away. Still on iOS 18 and macOS 15 (Sequoia). I was a day one upgrader up until now, never had any regrets but this time things seemed very different. It's worrisome but all is not lost, I'll start sweating for real if next year's releases don't improve things substantially.

Maybe you didn’t catch this yet, but Apple pulled their latest iOS 18.7.3 update and they seem to only promote iOS 26 now. They really want everyone off iOS 18 :/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2026/01/07/hundreds-...

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

Can you interpret this comment for those of us that haven't used windows? All i can recall from "vista" is that it looked good

Off the top of my head: Windows Vista was slow and unstable on a lot of hardware of the time due to significantly higher system requirements than XP and a new display driver model that worked poorly at first, had a very polarizing look, and had quite overbearing UAC -- where XP would just let you do the thing, Vista would ask you three times if you're really really sure you wanted to authorize it.

It had decent bones though -- arguably a lot of its bad reputation was due to hardware/third party driver issues and people trying to run it on old hardware that just couldn't hack it. Windows 7 was well received and is basically the same thing with small improvements and some of the UX issues smoothed over (i.e. less annoying UAC)

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious, how do you resize windows instead?

....with a keyboard? on macos I use Rectangle, on linux I just use the built-in resizing keyboard shortcuts

"I downloaded a separate application to make resizing windows easier" is not a point in favor of MacOS's window resizing decisions.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Its not a great update and hopefully with Dye out they will make some changes, but personally I don't have this issue.

Do you mean you don't observe the same thing? Or that it doesn't cause you difficulty?

Most of the Tahoe and Liquid Glass related gripes are overstated or sometimes just against the idea of changing anything well-established
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