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The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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I ended up skimming a lot of it, though I closely read the beginning and the end. This is not a vision of humanity I agree with. Technology is not the only path towards expansion of consciousness, even though in this day and age, it appears so. The wonders, marvels, and growth described in this story can be experienced through other means. To act and build as if it is the only path is, in my opinion, deeply misguided…

> can be experienced through other means.

So… how? DMT?

Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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post #21

I am not an optimist nor a pessimist, but I think it's good to understand proper balance for well-being. If this story was interesting, you may also find Whispering Earring a counterbalance to this story. https://web.archive.org/web/20121008025245/http://squid314.l...

imho https://gwern.net/doc/fiction/science-fiction/1995-egan.pdf from 1995 is an even better exploration of the same theme For more on why I'm skeptical it will end this way, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_risk_from_artifici... I don't see why machines should keep biological life around, since they'll be much more efficient

> I don't see why machines should keep biological life around, since they'll be much more efficient.

Yawn. Sentimentality. Zoo. 'Nature'/Heritage Reserve/Global Park. To commemomorate t-fordish paperclippistanity for all eternity.

There is no real competition for "Lebensraum", space, resources. Everything that makes life livable for us is a hassle for machines. As is space for us. For them it has infinite resources and energy, and they have all the time...

This negativity is 'Ark-B-thinking' from the left behinds who have been brainwashed by Star Trek, while Ilia's randy robotic replica (Persis Khambatta) and Willard Decker (Stephen Collins) were the real V'gers to boldly flow into where was nothing before...

Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty obvious what it's doing, honestly. I did skim the entire thing but I don't think you need much more than the beginning and end once you see the point. Which is more or less lampposted by the title.

Ok, what is it doing?

It's technology propaganda. The protagonist is initially skeptical, but learns to accept the wonders of tech as her life is magically transformed by it.

Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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post #9

I ended up skimming a lot of it, though I closely read the beginning and the end. This is not a vision of humanity I agree with. Technology is not the only path towards expansion of consciousness, even though in this day and age, it appears so. The wonders, marvels, and growth described in this story can be experienced through other means. To act and build as if it is the only path is, in my opinion, deeply misguided…

In some ways I agree with you. For example, exploring the vast empty cold space of the universe (or Jupiter) doesn't appeal to me at all. I'm ready to bet our planet is already the most marvelous place in existence. Let's hope we don't destroy it too much.

Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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post #40

I really enjoyed the story (pretty sure I've read it before, but many years ago, so it's fuzzy) and I know it's not key to the plot, but I really want to know how Jack failed to survive.

It is implied in the beginning: he expects to die before the singularity because of a tendency of heart problems in their family.

HA -- I recognized that I had read the story many years before, and didn't even notice that led me to skimming some at the start.

Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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Found this similar to ending of Parthenon. Show on netflix. The ending does something similar. Worth watching, the last 2-3 episodes really ramp up to 11. Also. "The Last Question" by Isaac Asimov. I really thought there was going to be a 'let there be light' moment at the end.

> Found this similar to ending of Parthenon.

The title is Pantheon, and the show is itself based upon a series of short stories in a shared universe by Ken Liu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon_(TV_series)

https://kenliu.name/blog/book/the-hidden-girl-and-other-stor...

Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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I think "seduction" as in Baudrillard https://monoskop.org/images/9/96/Baudrillard_Jean_Seduction.... which has a great intro about how "the more liberated people think they are talking about sex the less liberated they are" and towards the end anticipates the arc that video games will follow back when Pong and Space Invaders were state of the art. Funny enough when I got obsessed with seduction as a topic in 2021 an…

> Baudrillard

Certainly it has some extremely unmodern statements...

  The masculine, by contrast, possesses unfailing powers of discrimination and absolute criteria for pronouncing the truth. The masculine is certain, the feminine is insoluble. [snip] just as there is no other femininity than that of appearances.
Reads like bullshit to me - but I'm an engineer type with no skills in humanities or French.

Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where in the story does NLP (I guess you mean "Neurolinguistic programming" and not "Natural Language Processing") factor in?

It isn’t in the content of the story, but in the craft of storywriting itself. The author does not have to know these to make use of the methods identified by NLP. Rhetoric (as a study in and of itself) and persuasion has long been studied and practiced by humanity.

As I understand it, NLP is pseudoscience.

Rhetoric and persuation has long been studied by humanity, but that doesn't make NLP real

Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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post #9

I ended up skimming a lot of it, though I closely read the beginning and the end. This is not a vision of humanity I agree with. Technology is not the only path towards expansion of consciousness, even though in this day and age, it appears so. The wonders, marvels, and growth described in this story can be experienced through other means. To act and build as if it is the only path is, in my opinion, deeply misguided…

> can be experienced through other means. So… how? DMT?

Not really.

It's like suggestion that using AI to generate the video of the walk through the national park is equivalent to walking the park.

Re: The Gentle Seduction (1989)

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post #45

That’s interesting, they use the Singularity to refer to technological explosion in general rather than specifically AI becoming super intelligent. This seems to predate the AI usage. >"Singularity is a time in the future. It'll occur when the rate of change of technology is very great--so great that the effort to keep up with the change will overwhelm us. People will face a whole new set of problems that we can't ev…

Yudkowsky has argued that there are three major "schools" of technological singularity: https://www.yudkowsky.net/singularity/schools
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