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Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by moi2388 »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #48
cramsession wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attacking a civilian population is a war crime.

Targeting here goes beyond reasonable expectation from a military at war. Compare that to the russian terror of lobbing 500kg bombs at random housing blocks.

Does it? Do you have any data on how many of these devices ended up in civilian hands?

Afaik they intercepted a shipment for Hamas members only. Do you have more information?

How many civilians there even use these pagers instead of mobile phones? Are there any?

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by UltraSane »

cramsession wrote: post #13
impossiblefork wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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“Expected” is not enough. These bombs didn’t go off in active war zone. They went off in public in Lebanon, and maimed and killed civilians.

Hezbollah was actively launching thousands of missiles at Israel when these pagers blew up. They stopped launching missiles at Israel en masse soon after these pagers blew up. What a odd coincidence.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by kyboren »

dang wrote: post #63
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #59

This conversation already has comments on one side flagged to invisibility. If you are going to allow these conversations, but only allow one side, then Hacker News is not about discussion but about what?

If there are flagged comments which are not breaking the site guidelines, I'd like links to take a look at. The moderation intention is for comments which break the site guidelines to be flagged, regardless of which side they are or aren't on. It's not possible to reach this state perfectly, of course.

At least one of mine, for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46219068

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by UltraSane »

btbuildem wrote: post #27

> Palantir ended up having to rent a second-floor building that housed its Tel Aviv office, to accommodate the intelligence analysts who needed tutorials Has anyone here tried using their software? It's salesforce-level fucked. They did a great job spewing lofty concepts, with their ontologies and their kinetic layers, but in the end it all ends up being a giant wormy ERP. There might be one good idea in there (artic…

Like most very complex and powerful software it takes a long time to learn and configure it correctly.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by LightBug1 »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #48
cramsession wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attacking a civilian population is a war crime.

Targeting here goes beyond reasonable expectation from a military at war. Compare that to the russian terror of lobbing 500kg bombs at random housing blocks.

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by computerex »

apical_dendrite wrote: post #50
giraffe_lady wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, so what? You aren't off the hook because of the actions of your enemies. It was obvious these would be going off around civilians, in homes and public spaces, including hospitals, and they chose to go through with the attack knowing this. That the civilians who would be around them would have no particular reason to fear or suspect this attack, because the vector was a common daily object . It was an attack on…

It wasn't a non-military political goal. It had a military purpose of taking out the communications network and personnel of a group that was actively engaged in combat.

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by LightBug1 »

dlubarov wrote: post #58
cramsession wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Expected” is not enough. These bombs didn’t go off in active war zone. They went off in public in Lebanon, and maimed and killed civilians.

The principle of proportionality is explicitly about expectations, i.e. expected military advantage vs expected collateral damage. You seem to be holding Israel to an impossible standard of guaranteeing zero collateral damage, which IHL does not require because no military is capable of that.

The latitude you wankers expect is absolutely incredible ... talking of impossible standards around "zero collateral damage" after what Israel has done in Gaza et al ...

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by iso1631 »

cramsession wrote: post #10
impossiblefork wrote: post #8

I actually consider the pager attack to be legal. There's obviously criticism of it, but I'm fairly sure you're allowed to do this kind of thing by laws of war. Obviously this creates a huge problem for pretty much everyone though, since we can imagine that our ordinary consumer products from all sorts countries could similarly explode if we ended up at war with the manufacturers.

Attacking a civilian population is a war crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airs...

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by dang »

All: before commenting here, please verify that you're feeling something different—quite different—from anger and a desire to fight this war. That is not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for.

This site is for curious, thoughtful, respectful, and kind interaction—most of all with those you may disagree with, regardless of how bad they are or you feel they are.

If that's not possible, it's ok not to post. We'd rather have a thread with no comments than a thread with aggressive comments, let alone nationalistic or religious flamewar. There is far too much aggression in the thread below, which is is understandable, but please don't add more. It provides a fleeting sensation of relief, but then it just makes everything worse.

Note this, from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

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