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Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

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Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#71

I have tens of clusters to maintain. Quite an advertisement for ECS!

Kubernetes behaves like a JavaScript framework. See what has been happening in React and Sevelte for past few years.

Infrastructure is the underlying fabric and it needs stability and maturity.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#72
post #9

Ingress nginx was the default ingress for pretty much the entire life of k8s. F5 bought nginx and made nginx ingress, which I've never met a user of. Sad to see such a core component die, but I guess now everyone has to migrate to gateways.

And see how confusing the naming is.

ingress ngnix. ngnix ingress.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#73
post #19

How do you people even keep up with this? I'm going back to cybersecurity after trying DevOps for a year, it's not for me. I miss my sysadmin days, things were simple back then and worked. Maybe I'm just getting old and my cognitive abilities are declining. It seems to me that the current tech scene doesn't reward simple.

> things were simple back then If you were working in the orgs targeted by k8s, I think it was generally more of a mess. Think about managing a park of 100~200 servers with home made bash scripts and crappy monitoring tools and a modicum of dashboards. Now, k8s has engulfed a lot more than the primary target, but smaller shops go for it because they'r also hoping to hit it big someday I guess. Otherwise, there will b…

I think you underestimate what can be done with actual code because the devops industry seems entirely code averse and seem to prefer a "infrastructure as data" paradigm instead and not even using good well tested/understood formats like sql databases or even object storage but seems to lean towards more fragile formats like yaml.

yes the possix shell is not a good language which is why thinks like perl, python and even php or C got widely used but there is a intermediate layer with tools like fabric(https://www.fabfile.org/) solving a lot of the problems with the fully homegrown without locking you into the "Infrastructure as(manually edited) Data" paradigm that only really works for problems of big scale and low complexity which is exactly the opposite of what you see in many enterprise environments.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#74
post #19

How do you people even keep up with this? I'm going back to cybersecurity after trying DevOps for a year, it's not for me. I miss my sysadmin days, things were simple back then and worked. Maybe I'm just getting old and my cognitive abilities are declining. It seems to me that the current tech scene doesn't reward simple.

> things were simple back then If you were working in the orgs targeted by k8s, I think it was generally more of a mess. Think about managing a park of 100~200 servers with home made bash scripts and crappy monitoring tools and a modicum of dashboards. Now, k8s has engulfed a lot more than the primary target, but smaller shops go for it because they'r also hoping to hit it big someday I guess. Otherwise, there will b…

You can manage and reason about ~2000+ servers without Kubernetes, even with a relatively small team, say about 100 - 150, depending on what kind of business you're in. I'd recommend either Puppet, Ansible (with AWX) and/or Ubuntu Landscape (assuming that your in the Ubuntu ecosystem).

Kubernetes is for rather special case environments. I am coming around to the idea of using Kubernetes more, but I still think that if you're not provisioning bare-metal worker nodes, then don't bother with Kubernetes.

The problem is that Kubernetes provides orchestration which is missing, or at least limited, in the VM and bare-metal world, so I can understand reaching for Kubernetes, because it is providing a relatively uniform interface for your infrastructure. It just comes at the cost of additional complexity.

Generally speaking I think people need to be more comfortable with build packages for their operating system of choice and install applications that way. Then it's mostly configuration that needs to be pushed and that simplifies things somewhat.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#75
post #24
post #19

How do you people even keep up with this? I'm going back to cybersecurity after trying DevOps for a year, it's not for me. I miss my sysadmin days, things were simple back then and worked. Maybe I'm just getting old and my cognitive abilities are declining. It seems to me that the current tech scene doesn't reward simple.

It's exactly why taking a trip through the ops/infra side is so important for people - you learn why LTS-style engineering is so important. You learn to pick technologies that are stable, reliable, well-supported by a large-enough people who are conservative in their approach, for anything foundational, because the alternative is migration pain again and again.

I often find myself trying to tell people that KISS is a good thing. If something is somewhat complex it will be really complex after a few years and a few rotations of personnel.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#76
post #9

Ingress nginx was the default ingress for pretty much the entire life of k8s. F5 bought nginx and made nginx ingress, which I've never met a user of. Sad to see such a core component die, but I guess now everyone has to migrate to gateways.

F5 bought nginx? Isn't (wasn't?) nginx a simple open source web server?

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#77
post #19

How do you people even keep up with this? I'm going back to cybersecurity after trying DevOps for a year, it's not for me. I miss my sysadmin days, things were simple back then and worked. Maybe I'm just getting old and my cognitive abilities are declining. It seems to me that the current tech scene doesn't reward simple.

In my experience, many teams keep up with this by spending a lot of time keeping up with this and less time developing the actual product. Which, you probably guessed it, results in products much shittier than what we had 10 or 20 years ago.

But hey, it keeps a lot of people busy, which means it also keeps a lot of managers and consultants and trainers busy.

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#78
post #22
post #19

How do you people even keep up with this? I'm going back to cybersecurity after trying DevOps for a year, it's not for me. I miss my sysadmin days, things were simple back then and worked. Maybe I'm just getting old and my cognitive abilities are declining. It seems to me that the current tech scene doesn't reward simple.

> It seems to me that the current tech scene doesn't reward simple. A deal with the devil was made. The C suite gets to tell a story that k8s practices let you suck every penny out of the compute you already paid for. Modern devs get to do constant busy work adding complexity everywhere, creating job security and opportunities to use fun new toys. "Here's how we're using AI to right size our pods! Never mind the actu…

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Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> things were simple back then If you were working in the orgs targeted by k8s, I think it was generally more of a mess. Think about managing a park of 100~200 servers with home made bash scripts and crappy monitoring tools and a modicum of dashboards. Now, k8s has engulfed a lot more than the primary target, but smaller shops go for it because they'r also hoping to hit it big someday I guess. Otherwise, there will b…

You can manage and reason about ~2000+ servers without Kubernetes, even with a relatively small team, say about 100 - 150, depending on what kind of business you're in. I'd recommend either Puppet, Ansible (with AWX) and/or Ubuntu Landscape (assuming that your in the Ubuntu ecosystem). Kubernetes is for rather special case environments. I am coming around to the idea of using Kubernetes more, but I still think that i…

imo if you are on a cloud like aws and using a config management system for mutable infra like puppet you are taking unnecessary complexity and living in the dark ages

> Generally speaking I think people need to be more comfortable with build packages for their operating system of choice and install applications that way. The it's mostly configuration that needs

why, it’s 2025, docker / container makes life so easy

Re: Kubernetes Ingress Nginx is retiring

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> things were simple back then If you were working in the orgs targeted by k8s, I think it was generally more of a mess. Think about managing a park of 100~200 servers with home made bash scripts and crappy monitoring tools and a modicum of dashboards. Now, k8s has engulfed a lot more than the primary target, but smaller shops go for it because they'r also hoping to hit it big someday I guess. Otherwise, there will b…

You can manage and reason about ~2000+ servers without Kubernetes, even with a relatively small team, say about 100 - 150, depending on what kind of business you're in. I'd recommend either Puppet, Ansible (with AWX) and/or Ubuntu Landscape (assuming that your in the Ubuntu ecosystem). Kubernetes is for rather special case environments. I am coming around to the idea of using Kubernetes more, but I still think that i…

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