Summed together with the study visa changes: Thanks Trump for helping solve Brazil's brain drain.
Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad
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Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
The median salary of someone on H1B is higher than someone not on H1B. If H1B is gone we will see a decrease in wages not an increase.
Bold claim cotton
The data is publicly available.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nah, the employer will happily get rid of the US headcount and rehire the same guy in their home country or UK/Canada etc while paying a third of the salary. Zero employer is going to pay $100k.
At big tech companies they are already paying $200k or more than they'd pay the same worker in their home country for existing H-1Bs. An extra $100k might tip the scale for some but not for all. The most likely outcome is that body shops can no longer afford H-1Bs, but big tech still can.
Extra $100k might "tip the scale"? If you are the employer, are you going to shell out 50% more for no good reason?
Amazon has over 10k H1B workers. Think about how much money it means.
Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There is a 0% chance even one company or person will ever pay this fee All through Trump's second term, and before, people have said things precisely like this. And here we are. At some point we realize that people just make such confident pronouncements because they think it bends reality towards their hopes. >Only an act of congress can change visa requirements It isn't a visa requirement. It's a processing fee. A…
Has the administration officially confirmed this applies to new applicants only? All the reporting I’ve seen on this are from unnamed officials.
https://www.moneycontrol.com/world/us-official-clarifies-100...
The specific quote can be found in a number of media sources-
"Those who are visiting or leaving the country, or visiting India, they don't need to rush back before Sunday or pay the $100,000 fee. $100,000 is only for new and not current existing holders"
EDIT: Weirdly the parent edited in the "unnamed official" bit after I made my comment, then replied as if I'm illiterate.
Regardless, if "unnamed officials" are being cited by every major media source, it's obvious policy, especially given how vague and uncertain so many details of this are.
Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. Their arbitrary nature is designed to consolidate executive branch authority that can be welded as a weapon against corporations that might consider supporting his opposition in the future. It's a classic fascist ploy, and is further proof that executive orders should be banned. In America we do not have kings who rule by decree, or at least we should not..
Banning executive orders is nonsense; you can’t have an executive branch with a head and prohibit the head from giving direction to the rest of the executive branch. Executive orders that violate, or direct the violation of, existing law are illegal (or, at least, without legal effect) to the extent they do that, but whether or not a particular order meets that description is frequently a matter of dispute, which can…
> Executive orders that violate, or direct the violation of, existing law are illegal
But now we run into the question of What is illegality without ethical-centric courts?
Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't the 100k fee ensure only the best (most worthwhile in a capitalist system) come and you don't end up with mass used to undercut local wages?
Not really. The H1b and O visas were never used for "genius" talent, they are typically used by the WITCH companies to pay people bottom-rate wages (40k-60k for HCOL city) so companies can underpay market wages. If you have to pay 100k, you might as well hire an American worker. The "shortages" will mysteriously disappear.
Exactly. It might not make economic sense to pay the fee for $40k wages. But maybe it does for $500 k/yr Google/meta employee
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's really wild is anyone seeing that the solution to the multitude of real and self-inflicted problems in this country is... A shakedown of and a head tax on immigrants. I wonder what's next. Maybe stealing their 401Ks and their SS contributions?
Replace "immigrant" with "Jew" and you have some idea of the human failings on display here.
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Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
The median salary of someone on H1B is higher than someone not on H1B. If H1B is gone we will see a decrease in wages not an increase.
>The median salary of someone on H1B is higher than someone not on H1B. Not within the same job in the same location they aren't. If you're on an H-1B and you get fired or laid off, you have 60 days to find a new job or be deported. That creates an underclass of workers who are willing to put up with much worse working conditions and work longer hours. That drives down working conditions and wages for everyone.
>Not within the same job in the same location they aren't.
The actual data doesn't support this belief. 100% offer market wages and 78% offer higher than market wages.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I suspect more jobs are going overseas now.
Certainly some will, but if we have learned anything from the 1990-Now, it is that remote R&D doesn't always save money or even work effectively at all.
The world in 1990 is no longer the world now.
As someone who works with colleagues from India (like, physically in India), I don't see any reason the company keeps me over some other random guy in India, to be honest.
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#80So much for being a safe and lucrative place for all the best minds of the world.
That argument only works if society distributes wealth more equitably.
Current setup simply brings in foreign labor so that capitalists can reduce wages and they pocket the profit, while Americans pocket the costs. Not to mention migrating for purely economic reasons is obviously not going to make the locals like you very much.