I certainly go slower when I try to scroll down a scrollkit page!
Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
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Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
This was my initial reaction as well. Actually, as I find myself scrolling down the page, I thought the ideas were compelling. It was like this: [Facebook part ] Hmm… ok… [GO SLOWER ] Yeah! |----- .... ---- | YEAh! |.. ..... ------- .| YEAH! [Make it meaningful] Yeah! |.. ..... ---- .. .| YEAH! [Join ] Wait… what? Join… your app? I thought this was about hand-crafting. This is just another ad for a service that will…
I didn't even make it that far. [EDIT:Although, wanting to comment, I did go back and read the whole thing.] "make them scroll" ... um, no. The increasing number of pages that are requiring vertical scroll to be useful loses the great usability/accessibility of the "above the fold" method of pages. Even with the improvements in scrolling over the past decade (scroll wheel mice and scrolling gestures), it's still a ch…
I thought that view was discredited some time ago. First result in Google for "people like to scroll": http://uxmyths.com/post/654047943/myth-people-dont-scroll
Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's wrong with making money by providing a service to someone happy to pay for it?
Nothing, but calling it a movement aimed to fix broken publishing when it's just another walled garden that will disappear at the first buyout offer is disingenuous. To clarify a bit: I am annoyed not by what the product is, but by the way it's marketed.
The editor produces vanilla html/css that can be transfered and hosted anywhere.
And I'm glad that you think its worth buying but we're not for sale.
Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
#74I really like this idea.
Isn't HN meant to be the kind of place to share this stuff? I love the philosophy behind it, I feel like these guys are having a serious crack at building something that ordinary designers can use to make really beautiful pages without needing to know how to code.
The design of that page is really compelling and tasteful. Neatly showcases what the platform can do while retaining your attention.
And as for the haters, all I can say is - if you made it to the bottom of the page then they are definitely doing something right. I'm sure if you were part of their target market the final flourish would work too and you would be keen to sign up.
Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
#75The ethos here reminds me a lot of the edgier elements of the Web design community in the 1997-2002 period. For some reason, a lot of it died out after that, but there was a real enthusiasm to do some magical stuff and large collectives like the Swank Army were putting out amazing and experimental work (often leaning on early CSS and gigantic nests of tables). I'd love to see that culture come back to the Web in a bi…
Anyone remember dreamless? This reminds me of the meaningless css wars. In a good way.
Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
#76The ethos here reminds me a lot of the edgier elements of the Web design community in the 1997-2002 period. For some reason, a lot of it died out after that, but there was a real enthusiasm to do some magical stuff and large collectives like the Swank Army were putting out amazing and experimental work (often leaning on early CSS and gigantic nests of tables). I'd love to see that culture come back to the Web in a bi…
Anyone remember dreamless? This reminds me of the meaningless css wars. In a good way.
Yeah, I remember. Dreamless was a truly ad-hoc institution though, and the tools people used to participate were all freely available and took some effort to use and understand. The aesthetic is similar, but I think the sentiment here is really different.
Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
#77So, basically, "web publishing is broken because you have to do it on someone else's terms". And then you say "use our stuff instead".
You're able to build a completely unique site from a blank page in scroll kit. You are given a text form in other publishing platforms. Those are pretty different terms.
A large part of the value of the web is in creating _structured_ data. I would be amenable to a proposition that gave people more creative tools for publishing on those terms, but I think you're missing the point of the medium.
Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
#78I really like what ReadyMag http://readymag.com is proposing in this area.
That looks great! Does anyone know how they achieved that accordion slider for the front page?
Looks like it comes from here: http://readymag.com/js/homepage/homepage.js
Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
#79Love the "Go slower" idea. Would be very refreshing, if more people started doing this. Then again, I am very much at fault for talking too much and too quickly on twitter. However, I'm not actually certain what your product does .
We're a tool for people to make webpages without using a template, so they can start from scratch with a totally blank canvas. You can see the sort of things people are making here: http://www.scrollkit.com/s/I6QWRuK/
Scrolling through those -- I don't know if I should be impressed or not: how much effort are these to make? -- I saw one that doesn't render well for me:
https://www.scrollkit.com/s/gBbcZ8v
(on an old version of Chromium, 6.0.472.63 - for some reason I am browsing on a stable Debian, but the rendering of css/tables on that version of Chromium seems pretty solid).
Aside from uncertainty, I did have a positive impression: these are pages that aren't instrumented with cruft around the edges, and that makes a huge difference.
Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're able to build a completely unique site from a blank page in scroll kit. You are given a text form in other publishing platforms. Those are pretty different terms.
A large part of the value of the web is in creating _structured_ data. I would be amenable to a proposition that gave people more creative tools for publishing on those terms, but I think you're missing the point of the medium.
I believe, that this is the view of a lot of persons/companies, that make money of the web. And I have to disagree, because of my experience with a lot of "not so savvy"-users.
For them, they like good information (or entertainment) and they really like the personal touch to things. If the information is interesting, they like to know more about the individual behind these pages. and a lot of these people like the handcrafted touch of "older" websites, that do not look all alike (wp, svbtle, octopress, et al).
So maybe the product is interesting for some of the people, who are not skilled in designing individual pages, but want non the less to publish on the web.
Just my experience with the 99% of people, that are not hackers, professional bloggers or net-savvy-people. Me, I'm going to stay with nanoc [http://nanoc.stoneship.org/] and jekyll [https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll] and for the time being (until redesigns are finished) wordpress.