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Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Post by codybrown »

notJim wrote: post #45
kateray wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these are the ideas behind scroll kit and i'm glad you agree with them. but we'd be some pretty shitty hackers if we just talked about them and weren't trying to actually DO something to change things.

Absolutely. We seek to solve the problems we see in the world through technology. I feel your message would be more honest if you went for an approach like WordPress did: with an open-source tool. You make money by providing a hosting platform for the less technically inclined. And think about it. Wordpress actually did revolutionize publishing.

what do you mean by honest?

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Post by MatthewPhillips »

cws wrote: post #51
MatthewPhillips wrote: post #16

Blame the move toward blogging systems that separated content from presentation. Blame advertising which has to be front-and-center at all times. I wonder how advertising would work on the web if you didn't have omni-present ads but instead sometimes the viewport contained no ads, sometimes it contains big huge ads that take up the entire viewport (like a full-page ad in a magazine). Would that make up for them not b…

the separation of content and presentation has been important in web design from a code perspective. CSS exists because separating content and presentation was desirable. But most people don't want to deal with all that mess. They want to make a fun web page quickly and easily to serve whatever purpose they have in mind right then.

I'm not talking about CSS, I'm talking about removing the content from HTML and sticking it in a database. Thus HTML is merely a template to be reused over and over. Hence boring layouts that work with all content equally well. In some situations this is critical, I'm not arguing against its existence, but we've gone too far in that direction whereas, as this article points out, there's not a lot of tailored web pages on the internet any more. Which is a shame.

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Post by thebigshane »

wmeredith wrote: post #41
nollidge wrote: post #31

This one reason I don't read blog articles in an RSS feed. I aggregate them with one, but follow links to the blog owner's site so that I'm reading their content as they designed it .

I did the same thing until I found Newsblur. It lets you read them all in one place, but retains original formatting. It's sick.

  It's sick
Sometimes I really hate the English language. I think in highschool I remembered which adjectives meant good and which meant bad, but now they all completely confuse me. Hella, bad, the sarcastic awesome, wicked, twisted, ...

-- a twenty-something curmudgeon.

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Post by nbashaw »

notJim wrote: post #29
jcromartie wrote: post #22

So, basically, "web publishing is broken because you have to do it on someone else's terms". And then you say "use our stuff instead".

This was my initial reaction as well. Actually, as I find myself scrolling down the page, I thought the ideas were compelling. It was like this: [Facebook part ] Hmm… ok… [GO SLOWER ] Yeah! |----- .... ---- | YEAh! |.. ..... ------- .| YEAH! [Make it meaningful] Yeah! |.. ..... ---- .. .| YEAH! [Join ] Wait… what? Join… your app? I thought this was about hand-crafting. This is just another ad for a service that will…

Not everyone knows (or wants to learn) HTML & CSS. I can see this service being valuable for those people

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Post by petercooper »

d0m wrote: post #18

Please, change the music of the video describing the product.. I had to shut down the volume after 30 seconds of listening to it.

I didn't have a problem with the music musically but it seems to have a really odd, phased effect which sounds like fake 3D or something..

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Post by petercooper »

The ethos here reminds me a lot of the edgier elements of the Web design community in the 1997-2002 period. For some reason, a lot of it died out after that, but there was a real enthusiasm to do some magical stuff and large collectives like the Swank Army were putting out amazing and experimental work (often leaning on early CSS and gigantic nests of tables). I'd love to see that culture come back to the Web in a big way.

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Post by mcantor »

notJim wrote: post #45
kateray wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these are the ideas behind scroll kit and i'm glad you agree with them. but we'd be some pretty shitty hackers if we just talked about them and weren't trying to actually DO something to change things.

Absolutely. We seek to solve the problems we see in the world through technology. I feel your message would be more honest if you went for an approach like WordPress did: with an open-source tool. You make money by providing a hosting platform for the less technically inclined. And think about it. Wordpress actually did revolutionize publishing.

What's wrong with making money by providing a service to someone happy to pay for it?

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Post by alttag »

notJim wrote: post #29
jcromartie wrote: post #22

So, basically, "web publishing is broken because you have to do it on someone else's terms". And then you say "use our stuff instead".

This was my initial reaction as well. Actually, as I find myself scrolling down the page, I thought the ideas were compelling. It was like this: [Facebook part ] Hmm… ok… [GO SLOWER ] Yeah! |----- .... ---- | YEAh! |.. ..... ------- .| YEAH! [Make it meaningful] Yeah! |.. ..... ---- .. .| YEAH! [Join ] Wait… what? Join… your app? I thought this was about hand-crafting. This is just another ad for a service that will…

I didn't even make it that far. [EDIT:Although, wanting to comment, I did go back and read the whole thing.]

"make them scroll" ... um, no. The increasing number of pages that are requiring vertical scroll to be useful loses the great usability/accessibility of the "above the fold" method of pages. Even with the improvements in scrolling over the past decade (scroll wheel mice and scrolling gestures), it's still a chore that makes the "cost" tradeoff of some sites (including, I'll admit, this one) to be "not worth the effort."

Re: Show HN: A Handcrafted Web

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Post by notJim »

mcantor wrote: post #68
notJim wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. We seek to solve the problems we see in the world through technology. I feel your message would be more honest if you went for an approach like WordPress did: with an open-source tool. You make money by providing a hosting platform for the less technically inclined. And think about it. Wordpress actually did revolutionize publishing.

What's wrong with making money by providing a service to someone happy to pay for it?

Nothing, but calling it a movement aimed to fix broken publishing when it's just another walled garden that will disappear at the first buyout offer is disingenuous.

To clarify a bit: I am annoyed not by what the product is, but by the way it's marketed.

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