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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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To adapt a common adage, maybe immediately post 9/11 would have been the best time. Now is the second best.

Definitely. I think that would be very hard to carry out for various reasons, though. Intelligence agencies generally want minimal oversight and more power so you'd be fighting that at every corner which includes: 1) Vague threats to leak/expose Congress members' personal matters who craft legislation against them. Chuck Schumer (a sitting US senator) admitted on live TV that the intel community has "six ways from Su…

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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

#72
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As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

Not in the future, these tools and policies are already used against everyone right now. Plenty of Trump supporters have already been arrested and/or deported by ICE.

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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

#73

If they are going to do this, they really ought to corroborate the face recognition with fingerprints. Many people have unrelated doppelgangers, even if an AI algorithm was near perfect: https://twinstrangers.net/

You can read all about USCBP policies on the use facial recognition

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy...

It would appear the software returns a lot of “potential matches” with propensity scores and demographic and recording information and it’s up to the agent to make the final determination.

It’s more a tool to find potential matches rather than a program that pops up and says “this is who this person is”

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

#74

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

I haven’t seen any base “clamoring for mass digital surveillance”?

It’s either indifference (mostly due to ignorance) or outright opposition?

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

#75

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

> As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. Both (sweeping away due process for mass deportation, and eliminating restrictions on law enforcement and surveillance in the name of “law and order” generally) were both major promises of Trump’s 2024 campaign and things that he made steps toward limited b…

Ex-MAGA can range all the way back to 2016. You assumed 2024. I last voted in 2020. Not that it matters. But to clarify.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

#76

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I agree - but technology is just a tool here. The Stasi famously had a network of human informants to notice and collect information. Going forward it would be nice if we stopped letting these mobs grab power but it's too late, so maybe the effort should be focused on using tools like this to our advantage. Surely there must be some value to the populous to track their oppressors and those that control them - have yo…

The Stasi network was infamous because of how enormous it was, not its mere existence. And it likely had a crippling effect on their economy. They were also drowning in information, and the information was very poor because anyone with a bone to pick just made up some bullshit about the other person. Today, tools created by US intelligence make the data collection trivial, but more importantly, the data analysis is t…

> the data analysis is trivial as well

We have no evidence of this.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

#77

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I agree - but technology is just a tool here. The Stasi famously had a network of human informants to notice and collect information. Going forward it would be nice if we stopped letting these mobs grab power but it's too late, so maybe the effort should be focused on using tools like this to our advantage. Surely there must be some value to the populous to track their oppressors and those that control them - have yo…

The Stasi network was infamous because of how enormous it was, not its mere existence. And it likely had a crippling effect on their economy. They were also drowning in information, and the information was very poor because anyone with a bone to pick just made up some bullshit about the other person. Today, tools created by US intelligence make the data collection trivial, but more importantly, the data analysis is t…

The amusing thing was that political prisoners became a money making scheme. The DDR sold dissidents to West Germany.

Ofcourse it was mostly the educated elite who wanted out so it still ended up sinking the communist regime long term.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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No politician 100% aligns with everything you believe in. I voted for Obama twice and he certainly disappointed in several ways. But voting for the other guy would have been more disappointing.

Imagine if we had more than two choices. I have no idea how to make that happen, but it seems like it needs to.

In the Netherlands there are twenty parties that dit in Parliament

Still disappointment because they need to form a coalition. But that is what countries are: a group of people who despise eachother but have to work together because the alternative is even worse.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No politician 100% aligns with everything you believe in. I voted for Obama twice and he certainly disappointed in several ways. But voting for the other guy would have been more disappointing.

Imagine if we had more than two choices. I have no idea how to make that happen, but it seems like it needs to.

We have (many) more than two choices in most general elections (except for seats where state law involves something like California's "jungle primary", but then the primary is, not a "primary" in the usual sense (an election in which party nominees for the general election are chosen) but the first round of a two-round general election, where only the top two candidates from the first round advance to the second round.

What we tend to have is only two viable choices, and that's a consequence of using single-winner election with first-past-the-post voting; using multiwinner elections with a proportional election method (which doesn't have to be party-list proportional, candidate-centered ranked-ballots, multimember district systems like Single Transferrable Vote work fine for this) for legislative elections, and ranked-ballots single-winner elections for executive offices (but the first is more important than the second) can fix that (unfortunately, at the federal level, that takes people heavily invested in the system to vote to end it; which is unlikely to happen unless it becomes a matter of overwhelming public consensus, which it won't without being adopted at some level; however, in many states, it could be done for state elections through citizen processes without politicians voting it in.)

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

#80

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

As MAGA likes to say - Promises made, promises kept

It makes me question all sorts of things when people get what they were promised and then complain they got it.

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