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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by hnpolicestate »

burkaman wrote: post #4
hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

Not in the future, these tools and policies are already used against everyone right now. Plenty of Trump supporters have already been arrested and/or deported by ICE.

Ya good point. Just because the tools haven't been used on me personally doesn't mean they aren't already being used. I assume they used for J6 riot.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by cardamomo »

hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

To adapt a common adage, maybe immediately post 9/11 would have been the best time. Now is the second best.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by ThinkBeat »

mikece wrote: post #7
hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

When the founder of Palantir donates a ton of money -- as well as one of his acolytes to be the VP -- it would be more surprising if this DIDN'T happen. This is precisely the kind of thing the angry right wing would be up in arms about (maybe even literally) if it wasn't their side pushing for it. The billionaire party owns both political parties; they shuffle the front-people to give the illusion of choice. In reali…

I believe strongly that most of this work has been done prior to the current president taking office.

What you say may be true and we will see what comes in the future, but dont for a moment believe that all these things are due to the current, nor that previous was fighting to stop it.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by trhway »

hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

it is made with public money, and as it can't be stopped, it should just be made available to the general public and businesses. I think that should be applied to all the government collected info (except for narrow cases specifically excluded like health and IRS records - though i think IRS records also should be public)

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Post by ljsprague »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

I don't know anyone clamoring for mass digital surveillance. Immigration raids perhaps.

Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by linkjuice4all »

hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

I agree - but technology is just a tool here. The Stasi famously had a network of human informants to notice and collect information.

Going forward it would be nice if we stopped letting these mobs grab power but it's too late, so maybe the effort should be focused on using tools like this to our advantage. Surely there must be some value to the populous to track their oppressors and those that control them - have you considered building a citizen-powered system so you can watch the watchers?

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Post by hypeatei »

cardamomo wrote: post #12
hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

To adapt a common adage, maybe immediately post 9/11 would have been the best time. Now is the second best.

Definitely. I think that would be very hard to carry out for various reasons, though. Intelligence agencies generally want minimal oversight and more power so you'd be fighting that at every corner which includes:

1) Vague threats to leak/expose Congress members' personal matters who craft legislation against them. Chuck Schumer (a sitting US senator) admitted on live TV that the intel community has "six ways from Sunday" to get back at you.

2) Blatant disregard for the law by "just following orders", see anecdotes about Michael Hayden, a former CIA director.

3) Data storage, backup, and classified systems. Decades of collection probably means this data is scattered in many places which could give these agencies a chance to retain data "accidentally" or put up roadblocks due to high level clearances being required to work with these systems.

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Post by b59831 »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #3

As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.

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Re: ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images

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Post by JohnFen »

trhway wrote: post #14
hypeatei wrote: post #10

> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need t…

it is made with public money, and as it can't be stopped, it should just be made available to the general public and businesses. I think that should be applied to all the government collected info (except for narrow cases specifically excluded like health and IRS records - though i think IRS records also should be public)

That sounds like a perfect way to make a disastrous situation an order of magnitude more disastrous.
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